Bernie Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare!!

[ZiprHead]

True. The Medicare supplemental insurance field is booming.

 

[untermensche]

True. The Medicare supplemental insurance field is booming.

A lot of this has to do with high pressure sales techniques aimed at the elderly.

 

[untermensche]

It is amazing that Bernie doesn't see this band-aide called Obamacare as a miracle cure.

Especially since nobody ever said it was.

It was just the best Obama could do with a hostile Congress (both Republicans and Democrats beholden to insurance corporations, not their constituents, not really "representatives").

 

[ZiprHead]

I used to work in hospital reimbursement analyzing insurance reimbursements. Primarily Medicare. Medicare has deductibles and copays that can be hard on the elderly. Supplemental insurance can be a wise idea for some.

 

[untermensche]

I used to work in hospital reimbursement analyzing insurance reimbursements. Primarily Medicare. Medicare has deductibles and copays that can be hard on the elderly. Supplemental insurance can be a wise idea for some.

What I used to see all the time were elderly on some MC replacement that break their hip or have a stroke and suddenly realize things like physical and occupational therapy aren't covered or aren't covered very well.

There are always tradeoffs and many times the elderly who own these policies don't even know what isn't covered.

Medicare looks to cover the most likely problems across the board.

The replacements are looking to make a profit.

 

[arkirk]

What should we consider as a system that is adequate for a modern society? First, medical systems should all be ONE SYSTEM and there should be no built in doughnut holes or other opportunities for ripping off sick people or their families. Clinton in effect is claiming that Sanders will be eliminating many inadequate systems that have unnecessary costs (insurance company profits) (drug company price gouging) (equipment overcharging) and plain failure to cover medical needs. She is crying about that going away.

If you happened to see Sicko, the movie by Michael Moore, there was a scene in there where political players in the medical need milking machine were shown along with the compensation they received for their participation. Hillary was one of the key milkers. She actually is complaining because one of her income sources could be eliminated under a Sanders administration. That would be just too bad. I think of her as a gross negative in American politics.

 

[untermensche]

What should we consider as a system that is adequate for a modern society? First, medical systems should all be ONE SYSTEM and there should be no built in doughnut holes or other opportunities for ripping off sick people or their families. Clinton in effect is claiming that Sanders will be eliminating many inadequate systems that have unnecessary costs (insurance company profits) (drug company price gouging) (equipment overcharging) and plain failure to cover medical needs. She is crying about that going away.

If you happened to see Sicko, the movie by Michael Moore, there was a scene in there where political players in the medical need milking machine were shown along with the compensation they received for their participation. Hillary was one of the key milkers. She actually is complaining because one of her income sources could be eliminated under a Sanders administration. That would be just too bad. I think of her as a gross negative in American politics.

If you want to create a decent safety net you begin by eliminating any deductions in Medicare. You eliminate the taxes on Social Security.

Those two things alone will put money into the hands of people that will spend it.

A real economic stimulus and a start towards creating a decent society, which is the ultimate goal of everything.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Private insurance wouldn't be dismantled.

No it wouldn't

But it sure would shrink.

 

[arkirk]

Private insurance wouldn't be dismantled.

No it wouldn't

But it sure would shrink.

I don't know what Bernie's position on private insurance would be but would not object if it were eliminated because of the nature of health maintenance, it really should not be an "insurance" (risk taking for profit) function. We will all be needing health maintenance. It really is not a matter of gambling. I would not object to seeing insurance companies being shoved out of the health business. They have been terribly parasitic. Instead of spying on the American people, the U.S. could put that energy into keeping books on the management of health care and bypassing the unearned profits the insurance companies siphon out of our healthcare system. There really is no particular reason why some private entity that does not share its information with the public should be involved. A public system has to be public and not waste our money overcharging us for services.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

No it wouldn't

But it sure would shrink.

I don't know what Bernie's position on private insurance would be but would not object if it were eliminated because of the nature of health maintenance, it really should not be an "insurance" (risk taking for profit) function. We will all be needing health maintenance. It really is not a matter of gambling. I would not object to seeing insurance companies being shoved out of the health business. They have been terribly parasitic. Instead of spying on the American people, the U.S. could put that energy into keeping books on the management of health care and bypassing the unearned profits the insurance companies siphon out of our healthcare system. There really is no particular reason why some private entity that does not share its information with the public should be involved. A public system has to be public and not waste our money overcharging us for services.

Arkirk,

I agree with you, but in 'Murica, private insurance will not be eliminated because ... SATAN!

But a private, for-profit insurance industry small enough to be drowned in an bathtub, ... I can live with that.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Are you now or have you ever worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign?

Hmmm, maybe I'll take personal questions later in the thread.

I feel if I take questions now it would inhibit people from speculating wildly about my motives, intents and word choices and an off topic Clinton/Sanders political discussion might break out.

I knew it!

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Private insurance wouldn't be dismantled.

Not dismantled exactly, but definitely stripped down to something that doesn't resemble the bloated nightmare it has now become.