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Betsy Devos vs. Special Olympics

What's the point of make-believe sports where the rules exclude better performers?

It says "anyone over the age of eight and who identifies as having an intellectual disability can participate in the Special Olympics."

Who identifies as? That makes it sound like there is no test or criteria other than the participant saying so. That can't be right, can it? Surely you can't just randomly declare yourself as having an intellectual disability and enter yourself in the special Olympics lol That would be nuts.

Apparently there is a test. I.e., participants must pass a test to prove their inferiority. I.e., they must score LOW on an IQ test (75 or lower) in order to qualify, so our tax dollars go to a program requiring participants to prove their idiot status.

And there's a case of cheating, in 2000 when Spain's Special Olympics basketball team won the championship by recruiting some good players of normal IQ and instructing them to blow the test (skip to 3-4 minutes into the video for the important part):




The video blames the coach and others who arranged this scam, but there is something foul about the whole event in the first place. There is something obscene about making idiocy a requirement to qualify as a participant.

What is the legitimacy of a sport which requires competitors to prove their low intelligence in order to qualify? What's the point of excluding from competition someone who has more talent or aptitude? This turns the event into a freak show. This mocks the value of superior performance and says in effect that nothing is any better than anything else, because all that matters is watching the "freaks" pretending to play the game, with better performance having no value.

If Special Olympics wants to help the disabled, why don't they have them play anyone at all who wants to participate, even those who have superior abilities? Why not have the events OPEN TO ALL COMERS rather than excluding those who have superior talent?

Those of superior talent should be desired as participants, to make the events truly competitive and genuine as sports events where the winners would have a reason to be proud of their performance, and even the loser can claim it was a real challenge to go up against someone who had an advantage, and that if they could narrow the point spread it would still be an accomplishment. Whereas if there's a rule that your opponent has to be a dud, what did you accomplish even if you won?

There are many occasions in genuine sports where the losing team still did well and was proud of their performance, because there was an imbalance or inequality of talent on the opposing sides. Though most events have the better contestants generally matched up with other better opponents, there is also a place for uneven competition where one side is highly favored over the other, and then there is added interest if the lower-rated competitor can upset the favored one, or even come close to an upset.

Can someone explain what is the value of excluding those who have superior talent? Why should this exclusion ever be mandated in the rules? for any sport? Unless everyone admits it's phony and only a pretense of being a real sport. Like the "Make-a-Wish" fantasy enactments, a scripted performance, or a phony miracle healing act by a televangelist, or psychic scam where the performer pretends to communicate to the dead or move objects with his mind, etc. Is it all just make-believe? Is the Special Olympics just make-believe where the participants and promoters just put on an act?

This sounds more like a feel-good scam, with someone getting rich off the disabled, rather than a genuine competitive sports program, or anything where the participants have anything to be proud of. What are they proud of if the rules dictate from the outset that you can't have real competition but only the symbolism and pretense of it, and the only reason they're having you play is that they feel sorry for you?

Is this what the disabled want? Pity? someone feeling sorry for them and pretending to be impressed by their performance, no matter how deficient it is? Why is this something to be funded with tax dollars?
 
I do see your point, and yes a feel good scam is one way this could be spun.

But I prefer to think of it as a way to show off the unique skills of people with disabilities. Wheelchair basketball should be open to everybody, but those without legs and who have developed massive arms would blow me away at it every time.

If the challenge can be modified so the disability isn't holding them back from competing in it on an even level, I am all for that. It could be very fun and impressive to watch.

That sort of thing I could really enjoy watching (or trying to play). Likewise for some people with mental disorders, who excel in other areas. Some autistic folks are incredible and it would be nice to see their talents on display.
 
What is the legitimacy of a sport which requires competitors to prove their low intelligence in order to qualify? What's the point of excluding from competition someone who has more talent or aptitude? This turns the event into a freak show.
Only if you consider children with disabilities as "freaks".
This mocks the value of superior performance and says in effect that nothing is any better than anything else, because all that matters is watching the "freaks" pretending to play the game, with better performance having no value.
Sounds like someone is itching to have a Mediorce Olympics for the average person, who isn't great at a sport, but can't blame it on a disability.

Al Michaels: Well Bob, that was an interesting soccer matchup.
Bob Costas: Yeah, the people playing there were okay, definitely far from competent, but we all can't be Ronaldo.
Al Michaels: Indeed we can't. Rebecca, that is it from here, now back to you and the Average person *cough* long *cough* jump.

If Special Olympics wants to help the disabled, why don't they have them play anyone at all who wants to participate, even those who have superior abilities? Why not have the events OPEN TO ALL COMERS rather than excluding those who have superior talent?
They experimented with this with the normal Summer Olympics in basketball in the 90s. It was quite boring.

Those of superior talent should be desired as participants, to make the events truly competitive and genuine as sports events where the winners would have a reason to be proud of their performance, and even the loser can claim it was a real challenge to go up against someone who had an advantage, and that if they could narrow the point spread it would still be an accomplishment. Whereas if there's a rule that your opponent has to be a dud, what did you accomplish even if you won?
You seem to be missing the key component of competition and the drive to improve.
 
How much does the federal government spend on the Special Olympics? The OP must know, since they railed so hard against it. So how much? half a cruise missile? two thirds?
 
How much does the federal government spend on the Special Olympics? The OP must know, since they railed so hard against it. So how much? half a cruise missile? two thirds?

Well, by that argument, I'll take 1/4 of a cruise missile worth of spending. Thanks.
 
How much does the federal government spend on the Special Olympics? The OP must know, since they railed so hard against it. So how much? half a cruise missile? two thirds?

Well, by that argument, I'll take 1/4 of a cruise missile worth of spending. Thanks.

I'm not arguing for you to take anything... but if you are saying the federal contribution to that program is worth 1/4 of a missile, then OK.
 
How much does the federal government spend on the Special Olympics? The OP must know, since they railed so hard against it. So how much? half a cruise missile? two thirds?

Well, by that argument, I'll take 1/4 of a cruise missile worth of spending. Thanks.

I'm not arguing for you to take anything... but if you are saying the federal contribution to that program is worth 1/4 of a missile, then OK.

No, I'm asking for the government to send me a check in an amount that would buy 1/4 of a cruise missile.

Surely you can't object to that. It's only 1/4 of a cruise missile after all.
 
The disabled athletes have more dignity if they must compete also with the non-disabled.

If Special Olympics wants to help the disabled, why don't they have them play anyone at all who wants to participate, even those who have superior abilities? Why not have the events OPEN TO ALL COMERS rather than excluding those who have superior talent?

They experimented with this with the normal Summer Olympics in basketball in the 90s. It was quite boring.

No, there was not any such experiment (i.e., events where anyone competed with the disabled participants, without a requirement that they prove their disability status).

The disabled persons competing in such events would not find it boring. Even if they expect to lose, they are motivated to score higher and try to make the game closer than everyone expected.

Perhaps you think a very lopsided score would be a boring game. Sometimes that's true, where the superior team keeps scoring.

But because of the expectations (that the superior team has to trounce the inferior one), there is always some uncertainty, and a possibility that the underdog will do better and surprise everyone by lowering the point spread. So even in an extreme mismatch there can be the same interest in the performance of the players. The uncertainty of the final outcome makes the game interesting, even in a mismatch.


Those of superior talent should be desired as participants, to make the events truly competitive and genuine as sports events where the winners would have a reason to be proud of their performance, and even the loser can claim it was a real challenge to go up against someone who had an advantage, and that if they could narrow the point spread it would still be an accomplishment. Whereas if there's a rule that your opponent has to be a dud, what did you accomplish even if you won?

You seem to be missing the key component of competition and the drive to improve.

What component is that? How is there not a drive to improve where one competitor has an advantage over the other and is favored to win? Doesn't the underdog still desire to make a good showing? to do better than last time?

By analogy, what about a chess competition, where a chess champion player goes against several opponents at once. Usually he beats them all. But isn't each competitor interested and being challenged to improve? And isn't there some tension to see if one of them might pull off an upset?

The drive to improve is not negated just because there is a mismatch between the competitors.

The mismatch would not be the norm, but it should be allowed. Mismatches should not be ruled out by having a rule which excludes those who have superior talent.

Excluding the best performers because they're too good is perverse, turning the whole program into a babysitting activity to keep delinquent brats off the streets. Excluding those with more talent is actually an insult to the disabled performers who are seeking respect. Treating them like crybabies is not respectful toward them.
 
I'm not arguing for you to take anything... but if you are saying the federal contribution to that program is worth 1/4 of a missile, then OK.

No, I'm asking for the government to send me a check in an amount that would buy 1/4 of a cruise missile.

Surely you can't object to that. It's only 1/4 of a cruise missile after all.

I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.
 
I'm not arguing for you to take anything... but if you are saying the federal contribution to that program is worth 1/4 of a missile, then OK.

No, I'm asking for the government to send me a check in an amount that would buy 1/4 of a cruise missile.

Surely you can't object to that. It's only 1/4 of a cruise missile after all.

I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.
Don't be such a piker. Send dismal an entire cruise missile.
 
I'm not arguing for you to take anything... but if you are saying the federal contribution to that program is worth 1/4 of a missile, then OK.

No, I'm asking for the government to send me a check in an amount that would buy 1/4 of a cruise missile.

Surely you can't object to that. It's only 1/4 of a cruise missile after all.

I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.

I thought it was your stated position that no one should care what the government spends money on up to 3/4 of what a cruise missile costs. Since I’m asking for far less than that I don’t see how you could object.
 
I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.

I thought it was your stated position that no one should care what the government spends money on up to 3/4 of what a cruise missile costs. Since I’m asking for far less than that I don’t see how you could object.
dismal, you are just too unique to qualify under the heading ‘common’ welfare.
 
I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.

I thought it was your stated position that no one should care what the government spends money on up to 3/4 of what a cruise missile costs. Since I’m asking for far less than that I don’t see how you could object.
dismal, you are just too unique to qualify under the heading ‘common’ welfare.

Well, its not like he asked for 3/4 of an aircraft carrier cost...if nothing else how about a free croissant for dismal? :D
 
I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.

I thought it was your stated position that no one should care what the government spends money on up to 3/4 of what a cruise missile costs. Since I’m asking for far less than that I don’t see how you could object.
dismal, you are just too unique to qualify under the heading ‘common’ welfare.

Well, maybe you could make an argument like that if you were allowed to care about spending amounts this small. Since you're not, just send the cash.
 
I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.

I thought it was your stated position that no one should care what the government spends money on up to 3/4 of what a cruise missile costs. Since I’m asking for far less than that I don’t see how you could object.

You thought wrong. it was a comparison of the value gotten from a piece of a cruise missile versus an entire special Olympics program.
 
I guess that would depend on what you intended to DO with the funds.
Don't be such a piker. Send dismal an entire cruise missile.

reminds me of a story. I started dating a girl and met her father for the first time. We were sitting at their breakfast nook when I heard the sound of something rolling across the table and some movement out of the corner of my eye. I reflexively reached for what was rolling and grabbed it just before it rolled off the table. When I looked at what I had grabbed, it was a bullet. I looked at her dad, who said to me, "nice catch". I handed it back to him and then he said, "Hurt my daughter and the next one will come too fast for you to catch".

Turns out he was a helpless, useless drunk.. with multiple DUIs and inconsistent employment... and to my disappointment, the apple barely left the tree. never date a drunk... so many unnecessary issues.
 
dismal, you are just too unique to qualify under the heading ‘common’ welfare.

Well, its not like he asked for 3/4 of an aircraft carrier cost...if nothing else how about a free croissant for dismal? :D
Exactly what I'd expect from someone who supports Ted Cruz, the Senator who is in the pocket of Big French Bakeries.
 
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