Boycotting Visiting Leaders' Congress Speeches

[ZiprHead]

Voting "Present": Betty McCollum D-MN
Voting against it: Jamaal Bowman D-NY, Cori Bush D-MO, André Carson D-IN, Summer Lee D-PA, AOC D-NY, Ilhan Omar D-MN, Ayanna Pressley D-MA, Delia Remirez D-IL, Rashida Tlaib D-MI

A rogues' gallery of Israel haters.

What is there to like? The way they are stealing land they're damn close to being Russian.

The borders haven't moved in ages--how can there be stealing going on?

The Palestinians make the Republicans look like amateurs in making propaganda. That doesn't make their claims true.

Are you really going to tell me you don't know about the many many illegal settlements by Jews on Palestinian land that the Israeli government not only turns a blind eye to but defend when they are attacked?

Sounds exactly how Russia did it in Ukraine. Move "settlers" in to the Donbas and Crimea (Palestinian territory) then try to take over the country to protect the "settlers".

The borders haven't moved. I do agree there are illegal settlements but they're within existing boundaries and they're on unoccupied land.

So somebody camps out in your backyard isn't a problem for you because it's unoccupied land.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The borders haven't moved. I do agree there are illegal settlements but they're within existing boundaries and they're on unoccupied land.

Illegal settlements are, by definition, illegal. Whether the land was unoccupied is irrelevant.

The point is that land isn't being taken despite what the Palestinians keep saying. Once in a while they goof and say the silent part out loud: They consider all of Israel is occupied territory and all Israelis are "settlers".

Note, also, that from an international law standpoint it's not possible for the settlements to be illegal in that there is no competing land claim. To have a land claim the Palestinians would have to declare a state and specify it's borders. They are completely unwilling to do this as it either means admitting to the world their true objective, or the very attempt is a death penalty crime by their own laws. They deliberately painted themselves into a corner that precludes making peace.

 

[laughing dog]

The borders haven't moved. I do agree there are illegal settlements but they're within existing boundaries and they're on unoccupied land.

Illegal settlements are, by definition, illegal. Whether the land was unoccupied is irrelevant.

The point is that land isn't being taken despite what the Palestinians keep saying. Once in a while they goof and say the silent part out loud: They consider all of Israel is occupied territory and all Israelis are "settlers".

Note, also, that from an international law standpoint it's not possible for the settlements to be illegal in that there is no competing land claim. To have a land claim the Palestinians would have to declare a state and specify it's borders. They are completely unwilling to do this as it either means admitting to the world their true objective, or the very attempt is a death penalty crime by their own laws. They deliberately painted themselves into a corner that precludes making peace.

First, you agreed there are illegal settlements, not me. Now you claim they aren’t any. Either there are illegal settlements or there are not. This is not Schrodinger's land claims.
Second, land is being taken.
Third, there certainly can be competing land claims without a Palestinian state - individuals can make claims under Israeli law.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the OP, so feel free to carry on without me.

 

[robnisch]

Is Israel a failed democracy now?

 

[ZiprHead]

Is Israel a failed democracy now?

Looking more and more like it.

 

[robnisch]

Is Israel a failed democracy now?

Looking more and more like it.

Israel's military assessing reservists’ protest letter over judicial overhaul

The letter, was the latest sign of opposition within the military to changes being pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s religious-nationalist coalition.

www.nbcnews.com