Canada to pay a Jihadi murderer $10M

[Derec]

What the fuck? This jihadist threw a hand grenade that killed an American soldier in Afghanistan and for that he was rightly imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay and convicted of murder. The mistake was to transfer him to Canada, where he was quiickly freed and now will get ahuge settlement. Idiocy, pure idiocy on part of our neighbors in the frozen north.
Reports: Former Guantanamo detainee to get $10 million from Canada

That whole family are radical Islamists (one brother was also held at Guantanamo and the rest of the siblings have terrorist ties too). The father, who is originally from Egypt, was an Al Qaida money man. One sister had Osama Bin Laden in her wedding party.
Why was this family allowed to immigrate in the frist place and even get citizenship? Why is Canada so gung ho in protecting this family whose only goal is to engage in terrorism against the West? Instead of paying them money, Canada should have taken all their citizenships away and deported them. And Abdullah, a wesapons supplier for Al Qaeada, should have been extradited to US to face justice.

Islamists like Khadrs should not be allowed to immigrate and seek citizenship anywhere in the West. And when they commit attacks agaisnt westerners, they should not get to profit from it. Again, what the fuck? And how much terrorism can the Khards finance now that they are millionaires. Insanity, and something I do not think Steve Harper would have stood for.

Also, why were Omar and his brother released from Gunatanamo? That's on US. If Gunatanamo is to be closed, they could have been transfered to Florence ADX for example.

 

[LordKiran]

What the fuck? This jihadist threw a hand grenade that killed an American soldier in Afghanistan and for that he was rightly imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay and convicted of murder. The mistake was to transfer him to Canada, where he was quiickly freed and now will get ahuge settlement. Idiocy, pure idiocy on part of our neighbors in the frozen north.
Reports: Former Guantanamo detainee to get $10 million from Canada

That whole family are radical Islamists (one brother was also held at Guantanamo and the rest of the siblings have terrorist ties too). The father, who is originally from Egypt, was an Al Qaida money man. One sister had Osama Bin Laden in her wedding party.
Why was this family allowed to immigrate in the frist place and even get citizenship? Why is Canada so gung ho in protecting this family whose only goal is to engage in terrorism against the West? Instead of paying them money, Canada should have taken all their citizenships away and deported them. And Abdulrahman, a wesapons supplier for Al Qaeada, should have been extradited to US to face justice.

Islamists like Khadrs should not be allowed to immigrate and seek citizenship anywhere in the West. And when they commit attacks agaisnt westerners, they should not get to profit from it. Again, what the fuck? And how much terrorism can the Khards finance now that they are millionaires. Insanity, and something I do not think Steve Harper would have stood for.

Also, why were Omar and his brother released from Gunatanamo? That's on US. If Gunatanamo is to be closed, they could have been transfered to Florence ADX for example.

From the article:

Khadr pleaded guilty to murder, attempted murder, providing material support for terrorism, spying and conspiracy in 2010 under the condition that he would serve most of the sentence in Canada, his attorneys said. As part of the deal, Khadr received an eight-year sentence with no credit for time served. In 2012, Khadr was transferred from Guantanamo naval base in Cuba to his homeland of Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence. In 2015, a judge granted him bail while he appealed his convictions.
The appeal is ongoing, according to media reports.
The Star reported that Khadr told them in 2015 he was unsure whether he threw the grenade that mortally wounded Speer. He told the newspaper he saw the plea deal as the way to get out of prison.

Two sides to every story, Derec. You shouldn't speak as if you know for a fact your side is correct.

 

[Derec]

Two sides to every story, Derec. You shouldn't speak as if you know for a fact your side is correct.

What two sides? You think he is innocent? That he deserves $10 million? Based on what? Even under his revised admission ("not sure") he admits that he was fighting for the Taliban, throwing hand grenades at coalition forces. Since Canada was part of the coalition in Afghanistan, and Khadr is a Canadian citizen, why isn't Canada trying him for treason? Why is Canada taking his side, letting him out of prison early and paying him millions?

That whole family, from his father all the way to his sister are either terrorists or terrorist symathizers. They are all radical Islamists.
His sister, for example, was recently detained in Turkey:
Zaynab Khadr, outspoken oldest sibling of Omar, detained in Turkey

Zaynab Khadr, the famously outspoken eldest child of Canada’s most notorious family, who has publicly praised Osama bin Laden and yearned for her own martyrdom, has been detained in Turkey. It is not clear whether she has been arrested or charged, and Turkish diplomats in Ottawa could offer no details on Monday.

This is her by the way:

Just a regular Canadian woman ... :

The West needs to stop importing outspoken enemies of the West into our countries and giving them citizenship. It is suicidal.

 

[laughing dog]

I don't understand this entire situation. We were basically at war with the Taliban, so how is fighting in a war a crime?

 

[LordKiran]

I don't understand this entire situation. We were basically at war with the Taliban, so how is fighting in a war a crime?

Participating in a war against a polity to which you are a card-carrying member is typically viewed as treachery in some form or another. Regardless that isn't really my point. My point is that said jihadist claims his confession was made under duress which would invalidate his confession. Derec doesn't want to give him the time of day however and automatically assumes he's bullshitting. I believe this to be wrong, irrespective of the man's activities or whether or not he should be in prison.

 

[Derec]

Participating in a war against a polity to which you are a card-carrying member is typically viewed as treachery in some form or another.

Which is why Canada should have tried Khadr themselves, instead of treating him like some sort of victim and apologizing to him and making him rich.
The whole Khadr family is a bunch of Islamists and jihadis. Pierre Trudeau's government made a grave mistake when they let the parents immigrate in the first place, and now his son, Justin Trudeau is compounding the error by making the jihadi Khadr family rich.

Regardless that isn't really my point. My point is that said jihadist claims his confession was made under duress which would invalidate his confession. Derec doesn't want to give him the time of day however and automatically assumes he's bullshitting. I believe this to be wrong, irrespective of the man's activities or whether or not he should be in prison.

Of course he is bullshitting! Even with his revised story, he is not denying that he was lobbing grenades at coalition forces while fighting for the Taliban.
I just hope his victim's family sues him for the entire $10M.

 

[J842P]

I don't understand this entire situation. We were basically at war with the Taliban, so how is fighting in a war a crime?

Participating in a war against a polity to which you are a card-carrying member is typically viewed as treachery in some form or another. Regardless that isn't really my point. My point is that said jihadist claims his confession was made under duress which would invalidate his confession. Derec doesn't want to give him the time of day however and automatically assumes he's bullshitting. I believe this to be wrong, irrespective of the man's activities or whether or not he should be in prison.

No, he claims he doesn't know if the grenade he threw actually killed anyone.

What is beyond dispute is that he actively participated in armed conflict against coalition forces.

The bigger issue here, I think, was his age at the time, 15.

And of course, the US's habit of putting people in Guantanamo bay.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Poor Derec.

 

[Derec]

I don't understand this entire situation.

To be fair, you could open all your posts with that sentence.

We were basically at war with the Taliban, so how is fighting in a war a crime?

It's high treason.

Under s46 of the Criminal Code, a person commits "high treason" who a) kills, attempts to kill, wounds, imprisons, or restrains the sovereign, b) wages war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto, or c) assists an enemy at war with Canada or any armed force against whom Canadian forces are engaged in hostilities, even if no state of war exists. The punishment for high treason is life imprisonment, without parole eligibility for 25 years. A person commits "treason" who a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province, b) discloses, without lawful authority, military or scientific material to agents of a foreign state, if he or she knows or should know that the material may be used to impair Canada's safety or defence, or c) engages in certain listed conspiracies or attempted offences. The punishment for treason is life imprisonment; normal parole rules apply. Canadian citizens and persons owing allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada who commit acts of high treason or treason are punishable under Canadian criminal law even if the acts were performed outside Canada.

Canada was part of the anti-Taliban coalition at the time Omar Khadr was fighting for the Taliban, which means he is guilty of high treason. I guess under the "liberal" government of Trudeau the Lesser high treason is rewarded with $10M.

 

[LordKiran]

To be fair, you could open all your posts with that sentence.

I'm responding from a neighbors house. I'd respond from my own but you just blew up my irony meter and it's burning my house down.

 

[KeepTalking]

Which is why Canada should have tried Khadr themselves

You are correct, Canada should have tried Khadr themselves, rather than letting another country illegally torture and imprison him for 10 years. That is why Khadr sued the Canadian government, and they ultimately settled.

 

[Derec]

You are correct, Canada should have tried Khadr themselves, rather than letting another country illegally torture and imprison him for 10 years.

No, Canada should have tried him on top of what the US did.

That is why Khadr sued the Canadian government, and they ultimately settled.

How is Canadian government responsible for what US allegedly did to him?
The reason Canadian government settled is because it is run by Justin Trudeau. I don't think Harper would have settled. And Pierre Trudaeu, Justin's father, ran the government which led Khadr Sr., an Al Qaeda member, into Canada in the first place. That shows that in Canada there is no vetting of Islamist immigrants. Not that US is much better in that regard. Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odea was let into US in 1995 and given citizenship for example. The difference being, when her past was found out she was tried and stripped of citizenship, while Khads are being coddled no matter what they do. Canada also (unfortunately successfully) blocked the extradition of Omar's brother Abdullah (meaning Servant of Allah) to US to face charges of providing weapons to Al Qaeda.

 

[laughing dog]

It's high treason. ...

Um, Sadr was did not commit treason against the US (the country that tried him). And if you actually bothered to read your own link, he did not plead guilty to treason but to "murder, attempted murder, providing material support for terrorism, spying and conspiracy ".

So, can someone explain how fighting in a war against an ally of one's own country is a non-treasonous crime?

 

[Derec]

Um, Sadr was did not commit treason against the US (the country that tried him).

Who is Sadr? And I did not say US tried him for treason, but Canada certainly could and should. Not that pussy Trudeau would. He'd much rather make him rich.

And if you actually bothered to read your own link, he did not plead guilty to treason but to "murder, attempted murder, providing material support for terrorism, spying and conspiracy ".

I never said he was tried for treason.

So, can someone explain how fighting in a war against an ally of one's own country is a non-treasonous crime?

I am not a lawyer, but I think it became a crime because he was not following the rules of war under international law, such as fighting in uniform.
As such, he was unlawful enemy combatant and could be tried for criomes such as murder etc. He got away with a very lenient sentence, however, (15 year olds can be given life in prison for murder in the US) and the $10M payout is just the cherry on top of the shit sandwich that is this case.

And to those who believe Omar is not bullshitting, this is a video where he makes IEDs.

$10M can buy a lot of explosives! I wonder if, when he commits a terrorist attack with the money paid to him by the Canadian government, will the victims be able to sue Canada costing its taxpayers even more.

 

[laughing dog]

Who is Sadr? And I did not say US tried him for treason, but Canada certainly could and should. Not that pussy Trudeau would. He'd much rather make him rich.

. You said he was guilty of high treason when I asked what crime he had committed. He could not possibly commit treason against the US since he is not a US citizen. He received the settlement for his treatment by the US not Canada. So your entire response is nothing more than babble.

I am not a lawyer, but I think it became a crime because he was not following the rules of war under international law, such as fighting in uniform. ...

I prefer an explanation from someone who knows what he or she is talking about not some internet know-nothing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Khadr pleaded guilty to murder, attempted murder, providing material support for terrorism, spying and conspiracy in 2010 under the condition that he would serve most of the sentence in Canada, his attorneys said. As part of the deal, Khadr received an eight-year sentence with no credit for time served. In 2012, Khadr was transferred from Guantanamo naval base in Cuba to his homeland of Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence. In 2015, a judge granted him bail while he appealed his convictions.
The appeal is ongoing, according to media reports.
The Star reported that Khadr told them in 2015 he was unsure whether he threw the grenade that mortally wounded Speer. He told the newspaper he saw the plea deal as the way to get out of prison.

Two sides to every story, Derec. You shouldn't speak as if you know for a fact your side is correct.

I see no other side here.

"Unsure whether he threw the grenade that mortally wounded Speer." How can you be unsure whether you threw a grenade?? All this can mean is he doesn't know if the grenade he threw was the one that inflicted a particular injury--no surprise given the reality of a firefight.

Thus there is no question that he was trying to kill US forces. A failure to succeed doesn't make him innocent.

 

[laughing dog]

Two sides to every story, Derec. You shouldn't speak as if you know for a fact your side is correct.

I see no other side here.

"Unsure whether he threw the grenade that mortally wounded Speer." How can you be unsure whether you threw a grenade?? All this can mean is he doesn't know if the grenade he threw was the one that inflicted a particular injury--no surprise given the reality of a firefight.

Thus there is no question that he was trying to kill US forces. A failure to succeed doesn't make him innocent.

It would most certainly make him innocent of murder.

 

[Keith&Co.]

A failure to succeed doesn't make him innocent.

It would most certainly make him innocent of murder.

I think that the point is more that admissions made under that sort of pressure cannot be convincing or convicting proof of guilt. You can't be sure if he said he did it because he did it or because the interviewer needed him to say he did it.

 

[bilby]

I see no other side here.

"Unsure whether he threw the grenade that mortally wounded Speer." How can you be unsure whether you threw a grenade?? All this can mean is he doesn't know if the grenade he threw was the one that inflicted a particular injury--no surprise given the reality of a firefight.

Thus there is no question that he was trying to kill US forces. A failure to succeed doesn't make him innocent.

It would most certainly make him innocent of murder.

... a crime I did not even commit. "Attempted murder," now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry?"

 

[Derec]

I think that the point is more that admissions made under that sort of pressure cannot be convincing or convicting proof of guilt. You can't be sure if he said he did it because he did it or because the interviewer needed him to say he did it.

It is beyond dispute that he participating in fighting as an unlawful combatant. It is also beyond dispute, since it is captured on video found in the rubble, that he engaged in construction of IEDs.
Those things alone would be enough to lock him up for a long time, even without the murder.