• Welcome to the Internet Infidels Discussion Board.

CANZUK?

lpetrich

Contributor
Joined
Jul 27, 2000
Messages
26,852
Location
Eugene, OR
Gender
Male
Basic Beliefs
Atheist
Britain moves towards Anglosphere federation - YouTube - I saw this video, and I want to assess the idea.

It's nicknamed  CANZUK and it's advocated by  CANZUK International - the name CANZUK is an acronym of Canada (CA), Australia (AU), New Zealand (NZ), and the United Kingdom (UK).

It's pushed as an alternative to the European Union, but it has plenty of problems of its own. But a plus for it is cultural relatedness. It's the parent nation of the British Empire with the three Anglo-dominated nations with the closest political cultural links with them. The British monarch continues to be the Head of State for all three of these nations, though she has a locally-resident deputy in each one of them, a Governor General. All four CANZUK nations use a parliamentary system of government.

Other former members of the British Empire are a much poorer fit. The United States is Anglo, but for some Americans at least, it has a cultural identity of being a nation created from scratch, and it did not get along well with Britain for the first half of its independence. South Africa is only part Anglo -- and its white population is a minority there, split between descendants of British colonists and Dutch ones, the latter ones being Afrikaners. India is even less Anglo.

Now to some problems. CANZUK is very geographically spread. As an analogy, the US has two non-contiguous states, Alaska and Hawaii, both of them treated as full-scale members of the nation, but they are not as distant.
  • US: Seattle WA - Anchorage AK: 1,400 mi / 2,300 km, San Francisco CA - Honolulu HI: 2,400 mi / 3,800 km
  • CANZUK: London EN UK - Montreal QC CA: 3,200 mi / 5,200 km, Vancouver BC CA - Brisbane QLD AU: 7,400 mi / 11,900 km, Sydney NSW AU - Auckland NZ: 1,300 mi / 2,200 km
The UK and NZ are close to being antipodal to each other, close to being in opposite directions relative to our planet's center.
 
Statistics:
[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]Nation[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD]GDP (nom)[/TD]
[TD]Per cap[/TD]
[TD]GDP (PPP)[/TD]
[TD]Per cap[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]67M[/TD]
[TD]$2.6T[/TD]
[TD]$39K[/TD]
[TD]$3.0T[/TD]
[TD]$44K[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Canada[/TD]
[TD]38M[/TD]
[TD]$1.6T[/TD]
[TD]$42K[/TD]
[TD]$1.8T[/TD]
[TD]$48K[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Australia[/TD]
[TD]26M[/TD]
[TD]$1.3T[/TD]
[TD]$52K[/TD]
[TD]$1.3T[/TD]
[TD]$51K[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]5M[/TD]
[TD]$0.2T[/TD]
[TD]$39K[/TD]
[TD]$0.2T[/TD]
[TD]$41K[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD](Total)[/TD]
[TD]136M[/TD]
[TD]$5.7T[/TD]
[TD]$42K[/TD]
[TD]$6.3T[/TD]
[TD]$46K[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 List of countries and dependencies by population - (all four: IMF 2020) - List of countries by GDP (nominal) -  List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita -  List of countries by GDP (PPP)-  List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita

A big potential problem is existing trading partners. New Zealand's is Australia, but AU's is China, Canada's is the US, and the UK's is the European Union. That could cause problems in coordinating trade policy for the four nations, since only NZ has another CANZUK nation as a major trading partner.

A further problem is how far would a CANZUK union go? Would it be like NATO? The EU in its early years as the European Economic Community (Common Market)? The EU more recently? Will it have a shared parliament?
 
Another plus is that they came up with a name that nobody could possibly make a pun out of.
 
This smacks of a desperate attempt to mitigate at least some of the disastrous outcomes from Brexit.

It's going to fail, for the same reason that all attempts at a non-disastrous Brexit 'deal' with the EU failed - it only benefits one party.

There's really no benefit here for Canada, Australia, or NZ. NZ and Aus already have very open border policies with each other; And the other parties are too far apart geographically for this to make a significant difference, unless the nation in question has just totally fucked up their entire international trade setup, and is desperate for something to at least partially mitigate the damage.

England (and I very much mean England, rather than the UK) is still acting as though they have a strong negotiating position, with vast benefits not available elsewhere for any nation or bloc that does business with them. They don't. And nobody's got time for negotiations in which one party wants everything, in exchange for nothing.

In a world dominated by the US, EU, and China, England is a minnow trying to persuade everyone else that it's a shark. They are fooling only themselves.

As a result, the UK will within a couple of decades have either rejoined the EU (likely on the much less favourable terms that non-founder nations must accept, without the veto powers that they had prior to Brexit); or have broken up, with a united Ireland and an independent Scotland as EU member states, and England and Wales as non-EU backwaters with barely functioning economies.

Boris Johnson and his Brexiteers have managed to do more for the cause of Irish unity than Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein ever did.
 
I think Quebec and Tasmania will become independent nations before this absurdity would see the light of day. And that's likely to happen six weeks after hell freezes over.
 
Britain moves towards Anglosphere federation - YouTube - I saw this video, and I want to assess the idea.

It's nicknamed  CANZUK and it's advocated by  CANZUK International - the name CANZUK is an acronym of Canada (CA), Australia (AU), New Zealand (NZ), and the United Kingdom (UK).

It's pushed as an alternative to the European Union, but it has plenty of problems of its own. But a plus for it is cultural relatedness. It's the parent nation of the British Empire with the three Anglo-dominated nations with the closest political cultural links with them. The British monarch continues to be the Head of State for all three of these nations, though she has a locally-resident deputy in each one of them, a Governor General. All four CANZUK nations use a parliamentary system of government.

Other former members of the British Empire are a much poorer fit. The United States is Anglo, but for some Americans at least, it has a cultural identity of being a nation created from scratch, and it did not get along well with Britain for the first half of its independence. South Africa is only part Anglo -- and its white population is a minority there, split between descendants of British colonists and Dutch ones, the latter ones being Afrikaners. India is even less Anglo.

Now to some problems. CANZUK is very geographically spread. As an analogy, the US has two non-contiguous states, Alaska and Hawaii, both of them treated as full-scale members of the nation, but they are not as distant.
  • US: Seattle WA - Anchorage AK: 1,400 mi / 2,300 km, San Francisco CA - Honolulu HI: 2,400 mi / 3,800 km
  • CANZUK: London EN UK - Montreal QC CA: 3,200 mi / 5,200 km, Vancouver BC CA - Brisbane QLD AU: 7,400 mi / 11,900 km, Sydney NSW AU - Auckland NZ: 1,300 mi / 2,200 km
The UK and NZ are close to being antipodal to each other, close to being in opposite directions relative to our planet's center.

It is unclear why Boris J. and his cohort think Canada, Australia, or New Zealand would want this.
 
Not being able to make a pun out of the name can suck.
 
Back
Top Bottom