Charlie Kirk shot in Utah

[Elixir]

Just an aside …
The first (and last) time I ever got tear gassed was ca 1965. It was a protest in Berkeley. There was no violence until it was initiated by Nixon’s thugs.
I know. I was there. I saw it.
If Swiz’s expects me to believe there was some different dynamic at work in this little recent Berkeley protest, he needs to provide evidence to that effect.
Right now the apparent fact is that it’s easy to provoke a group to violence by visiting violence upon them. It’s a time- honored and well proven tactic of Republican authoritarians.

 

[TSwizzle]

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

Where by "violent thugs", you mean {snip irrelevant screed}

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

I've not "sided with" anyone. {snip irrelevances}

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

 

[Politesse]

Freedom is Slavery.

For the slavers, yes.

After the American civil war, who got reparations? After the Haitian Revolution, who got reparations? Governments are always defending someone's rights and freedoms, but seldom are they defending everyone's rights and freedoms, until or unless they are obliged to.

Why do you side with violent thugs?

Where by "violent thugs", you mean {snip irrelevant screed}

Why do you side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley? Why do you hate free speech?

I've not "sided with" anyone. {snip irrelevances}

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. The part you snipped is where I explained that to adults not steeped in the Foxosphere, there are mental states other than sycophancy and rage. This is difficult for you to understand, not for me to understand. I am not confused.

Also, the part where you refused point blank to condemn the transatlantic slave trade or support its violent overthrow, which makes your position as a moral authority deeply questionable in my opinion.

 

[TSwizzle]

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. {snip irrelevances)

I didn't think so actually. So why do side with these violent thugs that were attacking the TPUSA attendees and police?

The part you snipped {snip}

is irrelevant (and off topic), that is why it gets snipped.

 

[Politesse]

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. {snip irrelevances)

I didn't think so actually. So why do side with these violent thugs that were attacking the TPUSA attendees and police?

The part you snipped {snip}

is irrelevant (and off topic), that is why it gets snipped.

Not irrelevant enough for you to have posted a response to in the first place. Only irrelevant once your obvious racism was challenged, snd you were affronted enough to be offended but too committed to your position to actually deny.

And again, I have no "side" in the Berkeley situation, nor do I think it makes any sense to choose a side in a situation that doesn't really have clear cut sides unless you're a moron and think that both Turning Point and the entire city of Berkeley are internally homogenous, non-overlapping entities.

 

[TSwizzle]

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. {snip irrelevances)

I didn't think so actually. So why do side with these violent thugs that were attacking the TPUSA attendees and police?

The part you snipped {snip}

is irrelevant (and off topic), that is why it gets snipped.

{snip, usual}

And again, I have no "side" in the Berkeley situation, nor do I think it makes any sense to choose a side in a situation that doesn't really have clear cut sides unless you're a moron and think that both Turning Point and the entire city of Berkeley are internally homogenous, non-overlapping entities.

It is very clear that you are not on the side of free speech.

 

[Politesse]

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. {snip irrelevances)

I didn't think so actually. So why do side with these violent thugs that were attacking the TPUSA attendees and police?

The part you snipped {snip}

is irrelevant (and off topic), that is why it gets snipped.

{snip, usual}

And again, I have no "side" in the Berkeley situation, nor do I think it makes any sense to choose a side in a situation that doesn't really have clear cut sides unless you're a moron and think that both Turning Point and the entire city of Berkeley are internally homogenous, non-overlapping entities.

It is very clear that you are not on the side of free speech.

Then why am I patiently trying to convince you to clearly state your position on African slavery? Please, not only are you fully free to speak, I am openly encouraging you to do so.

 

[TSwizzle]

So you are condemning the violent thugs who were attacking the TPUSA event and the police at Berkeley. Why was that so difficult for you?

No, I'm not. {snip irrelevances)

I didn't think so actually. So why do side with these violent thugs that were attacking the TPUSA attendees and police?

The part you snipped {snip}

is irrelevant (and off topic), that is why it gets snipped.

{snip, usual}

And again, I have no "side" in the Berkeley situation, nor do I think it makes any sense to choose a side in a situation that doesn't really have clear cut sides unless you're a moron and think that both Turning Point and the entire city of Berkeley are internally homogenous, non-overlapping entities.

It is very clear that you are not on the side of free speech.

Then why am I patiently trying to convince you to clearly state your position on African slavery? Please, not only are you fully free to speak, I am openly encouraging you to do so.

Not to demonstrate your love of free speech. Why do you side with the violent thugs at Berkley who attacked TPUSA attendees and police? Would you be so patient with TPUSA folks who wish to discuss things other than topics of your approval? Or would you be cheering from the sidelines as the violent thugs attack TPUSA and police.

 

[Politesse]

Not to demonstrate your love of free speech.

My love of free speech is not something I feel needs to be "demonstrated". But it is something I obviously value.

Why do you side with the violent thugs at Berkley who attacked TPUSA attendees and police?

I don't.

Would you be so patient with TPUSA folks who wish to discuss things other than topics of your approval?

What does patience have to do with it? No, I am not particularly "patient". But if you have some argument to make in favor of theocratic governance, feel free, I'll listen. Patiently or otherwise.

Or would you be cheering from the sidelines as the violent thugs attack TPUSA and police.

No, I wouldn't. And you have a bizarre imagination of what political protests look like, they aren't duels or sporting matches. What "sidelines"?

 

[TSwizzle]

Not to demonstrate your love of free speech.

My love of free speech is not something I feel needs to be "demonstrated". But it is something I obviously value.

For TPUSA it is lee obvious.

Why do you side with the violent thugs at Berkley who attacked TPUSA attendees and police?

I don't.

You don't condemn the violent thugs that attacked the TPUSA and police.

Would you be so patient with TPUSA folks who wish to discuss things other than topics of your approval?

What does patience have to do with it? No, I am not particularly "patient". But if you have some argument to make in favor of theocratic governance, feel free, I'll listen. Patiently or otherwise.

It's not about me, it's about the TPUSA event being attacked by violent thugs.

Or would you be cheering from the sidelines as the violent thugs attack TPUSA and police.

No, I wouldn't. And you have a bizarre imagination of what political protests look like, they aren't duels or sporting matches. What "sidelines"?

Imagination? I don't need to imagine what a protest looks like, I posted video of it. A figure of speech as you well know.