Cheney's Continuity in the U.S. State Department...Obama's failure

[arkirk]

For the longest time now, I have wondered why we keep being entangled in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Ukraine? Why does our president just seem to be like a robot mouthing justifications for the continuing U.S. military involvement in anti-Muslim and anti Socialist warfare worldwide? I have no idea just what Obama imagined the presidency entailed when he took office but it is clear he was buffaloed by the Bush and Cheney residuals at the State Department and the Defense department or was still thinking of world domination himself.

I kept listening to statements from HIS State Department that appeared to be clippings from the old Neo-con talking points book and I wondered why he kept on board the Republican appointed Secretary of Defense. Particularly egregious were the constant jingoistic announcements of Victoria Neuland who appeared to speak for both him and Hillary Clinton all the time:


That's right! Cheney's right hand girl, who either went along for the ride or took Cheney along for a casual destructive invasion of Iraq and any and every possible military engagement she could influence. This type of person should have been immediately purged from the top ranks of the State Department at the earliest possible moment by a responsible president. Firing her would have been more than appropriate. Instead, her position was fortified with additional appointments in 2011. Either our invasion of Iraq was wrong or it wasn't. Prime advisers on that ill fated invasion should have been fired immediately and not advanced. This woman is predictably a supporter of ever increasing influence by the military industrial complex. So is her current boss Kerry, and her immediate past bosses Hillary Clinton and Obama. Whenever she makes a public announcement, it is in the interest of advancing conflict itself far more than any actual diplomatic advance. There are industries and corporations in America that do not care what happens to this country as long as they can continue to peddle their destructive weapons and she is with them. So is Hillary. This type of leadership only knows war and quite clearly does not understand social needs sufficiently to deal with them. These may be women but they appear to be current earthly examples of the wicked witches of the North...or perhaps female Judases seeking the ever alluring 30 pieces of silver. Voters do have a choice without voting for a Republican. Clinton and Obama are duplicitous leaders with hidden agendas that do not serve all the people.

 

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Pres. Obama is a smart guy. He also promised to ramp it up in Af-Pak when running for Prez. If he didn't change directions after Libya, I think the buck stops right in the Oval Office.

 

[fromderinside]

Policy changes are a matter of switching between nation building and defending the free world, sometime mixing the two. Usually Nation Building is working from the inside with payoffs and technology. Carter Reagan, and Obama were nation builders. They get big results by helping our 'friends' punch out invaders and idealogues with good organization and little boots on the ground.

Defending the free world uses code names like domino theory, red tide and WMD to engage large operations to hold back the bad guys using tonnes of money, bodies, and hardware. Those who used such tactics were Johnson, Nixon, Bush I and Bush II. Eisenhower fits into the Cartesque group until Johnso and Macnamara blew it up with Gulf of Tonkin.

It looks impressive to defend the free world and we look strong doing it until we find we can't do it and everybody turn away.

The less costly method usually looks like we are losing until suddenly the opposition suddenly collapses. Yeah Carter got bin laden off to a good start. If Bush had stuck to what he said he was gong to do we're have really looked good when we freed up the Taliban become an ally of the west and a bulwark, albeit very anti feminine, against the soon to collapse Islamic states. Instead he fed them and now we have their aftermath to deal with without an organized government in place.

Let Obama look weak with his drone methods and sucking in Russia tactics. That Russian feast is about to end. Instead of retaking the Ukraine and putting a strong Syria in place a bankrupt Russia will face Islamist uprisings allover former SSR Muslim populations.

But hey. We gotta look strong. Not enough we are strong. Like with Trump appearances are everything in the US of A.

 

[arkirk]

Pres. Obama is a smart guy. He also promised to ramp it up in Af-Pak when running for Prez. If he didn't change directions after Libya, I think the buck stops right in the Oval Office.

That's what I have been saying all along. The problem is that there aren't enough progressives anywhere in our government to turn back the tide of profit seeking bitches of both genders and both parties. If Hillary get to run things, I am sure she can probably set up a method of avoiding the buck stopping by her place. So far she has been very good at getting black people to vote for her while doing nothing at all good for them but some lip service. That is what good PR buys. The trouble is it buys it for anybody that buys it and has nothing to do with what is good for black people.

 

[arkirk]

Policy changes are a matter of switching between nation building and defending the free world, sometime mixing the two. Usually Nation Building is working from the inside with payoffs and technology. Carter Reagan, and Obama were nation builders. They get big results by helping our 'friends' punch out invaders and idealogues with good organization and little boots on the ground.

Defending the free world uses code names like domino theory, red tide and WMD to engage large operations to hold back the bad guys using tonnes of money, bodies, and hardware. Those who used such tactics were Johnson, Nixon, Bush I and Bush II. Eisenhower fits into the Cartesque group until Johnso and Macnamara blew it up with Gulf of Tonkin.

It looks impressive to defend the free world and we look strong doing it until we find we can't do it and everybody turn away.

The less costly method usually looks like we are losing until suddenly the opposition suddenly collapses. Yeah Carter got bin laden off to a good start. If Bush had stuck to what he said he was gong to do we're have really looked good when we freed up the Taliban become an ally of the west and a bulwark, albeit very anti feminine, against the soon to collapse Islamic states. Instead he fed them and now we have their aftermath to deal with without an organized government in place.

Let Obama look weak with his drone methods and sucking in Russia tactics. That Russian feast is about to end. Instead of retaking the Ukraine and putting a strong Syria in place a bankrupt Russia will face Islamist uprisings allover former SSR Muslim populations.

But hey. We gotta look strong. Not enough we are strong. Like with Trump appearances are everything in the US of A.

What I am saying here is that this Neuland woman conspired with Cheney to cause the deaths of perhaps a million or more people in an invasion that should never have happened and she is still there drawing pay from your taxes. Do you like that? Does that make sense? Hell no! Your rundown of American foreign policy is accurate but that is the problem. The foreign policy is not befitting a great nation. You can decide to accept kleptocratic leadership that does not regard human rights as of any importance at all and you can get that...hell you have that. But aren't we supposed to be trying to improve the human lot? If that kind of goal is our objective, we cannot tolerate things like Clinton, Kissinger, and Neuland. They are an anathema to good government, not to mention world peace.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What I am saying here is that this Neuland woman comspired with Cheney to cause the deaths of perhaps a million or more people in an invasion that should never have happened and she is still there drawing pay from your taxes. Do you like that? Does that make sense? Hell no! Your rundown of American foreign policy is accurate but that is the problem. The foreign policy is not befitting a great nation. You can decide to accept kleptocratic leadership that does not regard human rights as of any importance at all and you can get that...hell you have that. But aren't we supposed to be trying to improve the human lot? If that kind of goal is our objective, we cannot tolerate things like Clinton, Kissinger, and Neuland. They are an anathema to good government, not to mention world peace.

Well, she's an employee of the US State Department. It's her job to implement whatever policy the elected representatives of the country tell her to implement. It is not her job to work to undercut, subvert or in any other way hamper the policies those representatives decide upon.

 

[funinspace]

What I am saying here is that this Neuland woman comspired with Cheney to cause the deaths of perhaps a million or more people in an invasion that should never have happened and she is still there drawing pay from your taxes. Do you like that? Does that make sense? Hell no! Your rundown of American foreign policy is accurate but that is the problem. The foreign policy is not befitting a great nation. You can decide to accept kleptocratic leadership that does not regard human rights as of any importance at all and you can get that...hell you have that. But aren't we supposed to be trying to improve the human lot? If that kind of goal is our objective, we cannot tolerate things like Clinton, Kissinger, and Neuland. They are an anathema to good government, not to mention world peace.

Well, she's an employee of the US State Department. It's her job to implement whatever policy the elected representatives of the country tell her to implement. It is not her job to work to undercut, subvert or in any other way hamper the policies those representatives decide upon.

We should only hire people at the State Dept. that will prepare us for our blitzkrieg attack on the al Qaneda terrorists to the north.

 

[fromderinside]

Well, she's an employee of the US State Department. It's her job to implement whatever policy the elected representatives of the country tell her to implement. It is not her job to work to undercut, subvert or in any other way hamper the policies those representatives decide upon.

We should only hire people at the State Dept. that will prepare us for our blitzkrieg attack on the al Qaneda terrorists to the north.

Yes. A direct quote from the governing document of Immapuppy.

 

[untermensche]

The presidency is an institution.

And the temporary placeholders are trapped within the constraints of that institution.

They are forced to take advice from the most jingoistic and militant, really fucked up people. And it is very hard to ignore this advice.

 

[arkirk]

What I am saying here is that this Neuland woman comspired with Cheney to cause the deaths of perhaps a million or more people in an invasion that should never have happened and she is still there drawing pay from your taxes. Do you like that? Does that make sense? Hell no! Your rundown of American foreign policy is accurate but that is the problem. The foreign policy is not befitting a great nation. You can decide to accept kleptocratic leadership that does not regard human rights as of any importance at all and you can get that...hell you have that. But aren't we supposed to be trying to improve the human lot? If that kind of goal is our objective, we cannot tolerate things like Clinton, Kissinger, and Neuland. They are an anathema to good government, not to mention world peace.

Well, she's an employee of the US State Department. It's her job to implement whatever policy the elected representatives of the country tell her to implement. It is not her job to work to undercut, subvert or in any other way hamper the policies those representatives decide upon.

So then in your world, morality or ethical obligation to humanity is trumped by "being an employee of the State Department? I do not see where that has anything to do with her being Cheney's assistant in conjure up a war anyway. That's an extracurricular activity not specified in the employee manual, I am sure. Are State Department employees supposed to gin up wars? I think you have become too jaded to see that there are some things that are beyond the pale...not acceptable in human society...things like mass killings and destruction of the homes of innocent people without cause.

 

[arkirk]

The presidency is an institution.

And the temporary placeholders are trapped within the constraints of that institution.

They are forced to take advice from the most jingoistic and militant, really fucked up people. And it is very hard to ignore this advice.

You know, I don't think Neuland thought up the Iraq war. That came from the Project for the New American Century (Cheney). If she had been a moral person and blew the whistle, she could enjoy all expense paid lodging at a federal facility alongside Chelsea Manning. What I am saying is there is no hope of getting anything right if you keep the planners of the disaster in charge, especially if they and their mentors stand to profit from war and chaos. That has always trumped our own social advance as a nation, reaching an early climax in the civil war and continuing on to this day. The likes of Neuland, the Clintons, and the Wall Street crowd need to be flushed from their positions of influence or we just get more of the same, more waste, more pollution and more injustice. Obama really could not have marched in a MLK protest march and carried a sign reading I AM A MAN. I don't blame you or others for citing the obvious, but it does take a person with a lot of fortitude and conviction to face off with this crowd of murdering crooked parasites. The job of president does seem to turn presidents hair white within the first term anyway, so it is a daunting task even for those without any principles. When the parasites get nervous, then the President has to worry about assassination...not a problem for Obama. Hillary thought Obama had more principles than he has so her worries were without substance. Just the same let us try to elect and protect a good president....and quit messing with low grade totally corrupt politicians.

 

[arkirk]

We should only hire people at the State Dept. that will prepare us for our blitzkrieg attack on the al Qaneda terrorists to the north.

Yes. A direct quote from the governing document of Immapuppy.

What is that Immapuppy document...some kind of super kinky stuff? You are right, these presidents have to make the guys with the big guns feel safe in their own skins or they get murdered. Unfortunately, the uber rich can't have YOUR CAKE and YOU eat it too.

 

[untermensche]

The presidency is an institution.

And the temporary placeholders are trapped within the constraints of that institution.

They are forced to take advice from the most jingoistic and militant, really fucked up people. And it is very hard to ignore this advice.

You know, I don't think Neuland thought up the Iraq war. That came from the Project for the New American Century (Cheney). If she had been a moral person and blew the whistle, she could enjoy all expense paid lodging at a federal facility alongside Chelsea Manning. What I am saying is there is no hope of getting anything right if you keep the planners of the disaster in charge, especially if they and their mentors stand to profit from war and chaos. That has always trumped our own social advance as a nation, reaching an early climax in the civil war and continuing on to this day. The likes of Neuland, the Clintons, and the Wall Street crowd need to be flushed from their positions of influence or we just get more of the same, more waste, more pollution and more injustice. Obama really could not have marched in a MLK protest march and carried a sign reading I AM A MAN. I don't blame you or others for citing the obvious, but it does take a person with a lot of fortitude and conviction to face off with this crowd of murdering crooked parasites. The job of president does seem to turn presidents hair white within the first term anyway, so it is a daunting task even for those without any principles. When the parasites get nervous, then the President has to worry about assassination...not a problem for Obama. Hillary thought Obama had more principles than he has so her worries were without substance. Just the same let us try to elect and protect a good president....and quit messing with low grade totally corrupt politicians.

Electing good people takes a functioning bottom up democracy.

Top down democracy is just a show as all power is in the plutocrats.

 

[arkirk]

You know, I don't think Neuland thought up the Iraq war. That came from the Project for the New American Century (Cheney). If she had been a moral person and blew the whistle, she could enjoy all expense paid lodging at a federal facility alongside Chelsea Manning. What I am saying is there is no hope of getting anything right if you keep the planners of the disaster in charge, especially if they and their mentors stand to profit from war and chaos. That has always trumped our own social advance as a nation, reaching an early climax in the civil war and continuing on to this day. The likes of Neuland, the Clintons, and the Wall Street crowd need to be flushed from their positions of influence or we just get more of the same, more waste, more pollution and more injustice. Obama really could not have marched in a MLK protest march and carried a sign reading I AM A MAN. I don't blame you or others for citing the obvious, but it does take a person with a lot of fortitude and conviction to face off with this crowd of murdering crooked parasites. The job of president does seem to turn presidents hair white within the first term anyway, so it is a daunting task even for those without any principles. When the parasites get nervous, then the President has to worry about assassination...not a problem for Obama. Hillary thought Obama had more principles than he has so her worries were without substance. Just the same let us try to elect and protect a good president....and quit messing with low grade totally corrupt politicians.

Electing good people takes a functioning bottom up democracy.

Top down democracy is just a show as all power is in the plutocrats.

Clinton is selling herself as a progressive when in reality she belongs to Goldman Sachs. For awhile Neuland made her outrageous and undiplomatic public performances under Clinton. That means if you believe in diplomacy being required Hillary is not your girl. If you like to see more military hardware manufactured, you will simply love more of this girl. She has the power to make Thatcher look like a liberal.