China Warns Trump: "We Will Prevent A North Korea Regime Change"

[Will Wiley]

China Warns Trump: "We Will Prevent A North Korea Regime Change"

In a troubling repudiation of President Donald Trump’s demands that Beijing do more to rein in its bellicose neighbor, Beijing, through the state-owned media, cautioned the US president on Friday that it would intervene (militarily) on North Korea’s behalf if the US and South Korea launch a preemptive strike to “overthrow the North Korean regime,” according to a statement in the influential state-run newspaper Global Times.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," it said.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Regardless of who strikes first, China would not tolerate a unified Korea with US military stationed within. But China doesn't need to put that out quite yet.

 

[OLDMAN]

If China is willing to protect N.Korea with nukes, then perhaps they should stress to Kim that he doesn't need them. If you break the world down into treaties, there should only be about three nations that need the deterrent: The US, Russia and China. No other countries should have been allowed to develop the weapons. These three could have provided umbrellas for the rest and the chance of a small nuclear war greatly reduced.

 

[Harry Bosch]

China Warns Trump: "We Will Prevent A North Korea Regime Change"

In a troubling repudiation of President Donald Trump’s demands that Beijing do more to rein in its bellicose neighbor, Beijing, through the state-owned media, cautioned the US president on Friday that it would intervene (militarily) on North Korea’s behalf if the US and South Korea launch a preemptive strike to “overthrow the North Korean regime,” according to a statement in the influential state-run newspaper Global Times.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," it said.

Don't worry, I'm sure that the Prince of Peace (Trump) will keep us out of war!

 

[OLDMAN]

A megalomaniac is a person who has an obsession with power and delusions of grandeur about the power they posses. I think most historians would place Hitler in this category. Even at the end of the war Hitler thought he had super weapons that would give him victory. It certainly looks like Kim fits the bill, believing he is a god and such. There doesn't seem to be a disconnect button when someone obsessed with power obtains it. So my guess is Trump is one also.

 

[Will Wiley]

A megalomaniac is a person who has an obsession with power and delusions of grandeur about the power they posses. I think most historians would place Hitler in this category. Even at the end of the war Hitler thought he had super weapons that would give him victory. It certainly looks like Kim fits the bill, believing he is a god and such. There doesn't seem to be a disconnect button when someone obsessed with power obtains it. So my guess is Trump is one also.

Maybe his strategy makes sense. Of course there can be no discussion about this possibility in western media.

Just repeat after me ..."he is crazy..he is crazy...he is crazy." No need to consider things from their point of view.

Avoiding Nuclear War: Why Kim Jong-Un’s Strategy Makes Sense

Looking at the recent North Korean testing of two intercontinental missiles, it may seem that Pyongyang wishes to increase tensions in the region. A more careful analysis, however, shows how the DPRK is implementing a strategy that will likely succeed in averting a disastrous war on the peninsula.

In the last four weeks, North Korea seems to have implemented the second phase of its strategy against South Korea, China and the United States. The North Korean nuclear program seems to have reached an important juncture, with two tests carried out at the beginning and end of July. Both missiles seem capable of hitting the American mainland, although doubts still remain over Pyongyang's ability to miniaturize a nuclear warhead to mount it on an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). However, the direction in which North Korea’s nuclear program is headed ensures an important regional deterrent against Japan and South Korea, and in some respects against the United States, which is the main reason for North Korea’s development of ICBMs. Recent history has repeatedly demonstrated the folly of trusting the West (the fate of Gaddafi remains fresh in our minds) and suggests instead the building up of an arsenal that poses a serious deterrence to US bellicosity.

It is not a mystery that from 2009 to date, North Korea's nuclear capacity has increased in direct proportion to the level of distrust visited on Pyongyang by the West. Since 2009, the six-party talks concluded, Kim Jong-un has come to realize that the continuing threats, practices, and arms sales of the United States to Japan and South Korea needed to be thwarted in some way in the interests of defending the sovereignty of the DPRK. Faced with infinitely lower spending capacity than the three nations mentioned, Pyongyang chose a twofold strategy: to pursue nuclear weapons as an explicit deterrence measure; and to strengthen its conventional forces, keeping in mind that Seoul is only a stone’s throw away from North Korean artillery.

This twofold strategy has, in little more than eight years, greatly strengthened the ability of the DPRK to resist infringement of its sovereignty. In contrast to the idea commonly promoted in the Western media, Pyongyang has promised not to use nuclear weapons first, reserving their use only in response to aggression against itself. In the same way, a pre-emptive attack on Seoul using traditional artillery would be seen as intolerable aggression, dragging Pyongyang into a devastating war. Kim Jong-un’s determination in developing conventional and nuclear deterrence has succeeded in establishing a balance of power that helps avoid a regional war and, in so doing, contributes to the strengthening of overall security in the region, contrary to what many believe.

 

[braces_for_impact]

China doesn't want to deal with the catastrophe of North Korean refugees pouring over the border if a regime change became a reality. For that matter, despite talks of reunification, neither does South Korea. Or anyone really. There would be rogue nuclear, chemical and possibly biological weapons to secure, and actual reunification would cost Trillions. A large portion of North Korea is in gulag-like labor camps. The territory of North Korea is ideal for guerilla warfare.

No one wants to deal with the plethora of problems a collapse of the regime would cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/

 

[laughing dog]

Not even Trump is talking about a "pre-emptive" strike, so Beijing's promise is not terribly interesting. What is more interesting is what China did not say - what it would do if the US or someone else retaliated after an attack by North Korea.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

China threatens but will China act? Probably not.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If the US were to do the sensible thing and pull out of Korea, China would be left holding the bag for North Korea. The Chinese government would probably be very annoyed with us, because they'd lose their reason for having to support this deranged little dictator and wouldn't want him on their border. They'd probably engineer their own regime change and would support a united Korea under Seoul.

 

[ZiprHead]

The way I heard it was that China would not interfere if NK shoots first.

 

[whichphilosophy]

China Warns Trump: "We Will Prevent A North Korea Regime Change"

In a troubling repudiation of President Donald Trump’s demands that Beijing do more to rein in its bellicose neighbor, Beijing, through the state-owned media, cautioned the US president on Friday that it would intervene (militarily) on North Korea’s behalf if the US and South Korea launch a preemptive strike to “overthrow the North Korean regime,” according to a statement in the influential state-run newspaper Global Times.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," it said.

To understand what China means is that this and earlier articles have also stated:
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At the same time, the Chinese regime made it clear that its preferred outcome would be a continuation of the status quo, warning Kim Jong Un that it would "remain neutral if North Korea were to strike first."

China doesn't want the US changing regimes on its borders. At the same time China gave a clear message that North Korea is on its own if it instigates any attacks.

The US past history shows it has turned bad regimes or those perceived as bad into much worse ones.

I would suggest using anti-Missile Missiles to knock out any test missiles if feasibly possible.

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The way I heard it was that China would not interfere if NK shoots first.

This is true and shows its astuteness. The quoted article and preceding ones mention this.

 

[funinspace]

The way I heard it was that China would not interfere if NK shoots first.

Lots of NK threads...

Thru the official newspaper of their communist party, the Global Times in 2 articles makes their intentions fairly clear (assuming they are also blustering)

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1060791.shtml

China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral. If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so.

Of course this still leaves it vague what happens if the west tries to do limited strikes to destroy nuclear and ICBM facilities (trying to avoid killing the fat kid), as well as what if the NK military responds by large scale missile and artillery strikes on Seoul. Simple this is not....

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If the US were to do the sensible thing and pull out of Korea, China would be left holding the bag for North Korea. The Chinese government would probably be very annoyed with us, because they'd lose their reason for having to support this deranged little dictator and wouldn't want him on their border. They'd probably engineer their own regime change and would support a united Korea under Seoul.

:laughing-smiley-014

Replace "Seoul" with "Beijing".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would suggest using anti-Missile Missiles to knock out any test missiles if feasibly possible.

If it were feasible I would consider this an excellent answer.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't work. The North Korean missiles have more Δv than the interceptors and have the lead. They'll get away.