Christian bakery owners did NOT discriminate against customer when they refused to make £36 'Support Gay Marriage' cake says Supreme Court

[Loren Pechtel]

I've made a distinction before. I'll make it again. Product discrimation, no matter how ugly our motive, should be tolerated so long as people discrimation is not permitted, no matter how much we despise them.

Example: I can hate the vietnamese and decide not to sell a damn thing I think they'll like, but I should not refuse to conduct business with them should they decide to sell what I do in fact sell to others.

Example 2: I can sell Pepsi and refuse to sell Coke, and WHY I make that decision is wholly irrelevant to WHO I should be willing to sell to.

Example 3: if I hate homosexuals and choose to sell nothing homosexually-themed, that's my business, no matter how discrimatory it might be, but the moment I refuse to sell homosexuals heterosexually-themed cakes is the moment I'm no longer fit to serve the public.

To the extent that products are stock I agree with you.

it gets fuzzier when your product is made to order. Suppose you sell 3D-printed toppers. So long as it is not more complex to do you should not be allowed to refuse combinations of existing plans that you haven't made before.

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A wedding photographer would not be discriminating if they said "No Nudity".
A cake baker who doesn't sell gluten-free isn't discriminating against folks with coeliacs disease.

But it would be anti-religious discrimination if a gay couple refused to eat at Chic Fil-A

You've got that last part backwards...

It would be illegal discrimination if Chic Fil-A refused to serve a gay couple.

No one can force anyone to eat at Chic Fil-A if they don't want to.

Chic Fil-A don't refuse to serve gay people.
But you can absolutely bet that tons of gay people boycott that chain precisely because of the owner's religious beliefs.

That's an astonishing double standard.
Buyer can exercise absolute bigotry against the vendor's ethnicity, religion, SOGI
Vendor can't say we choose not to sell the ethnic, religious, gay product or service you want.

Rainbow gestapo businesses (GAFA etc) can force their employees to sign LGBTQ tolerance acceptance policy forms - or face the sack.

But businesses which don't support SSM and Bathroom Bills get sued.
...because, ya know, businesses have to wear blindfolds and stay out of LGBT politics.

A boycott is individuals refusing to buy, not businesses refusing to sell. A different thing entirely.

 

[fast]

To the extent that products are stock I agree with you.

it gets fuzzier when your product is made to order. Suppose you sell 3D-printed toppers. So long as it is not more complex to do you should not be allowed to refuse combinations of existing plans that you haven't made before.

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A wedding photographer would not be discriminating if they said "No Nudity".
A cake baker who doesn't sell gluten-free isn't discriminating against folks with coeliacs disease.

But it would be anti-religious discrimination if a gay couple refused to eat at Chic Fil-A

You've got that last part backwards...

It would be illegal discrimination if Chic Fil-A refused to serve a gay couple.

No one can force anyone to eat at Chic Fil-A if they don't want to.

Chic Fil-A don't refuse to serve gay people.
But you can absolutely bet that tons of gay people boycott that chain precisely because of the owner's religious beliefs.

That's an astonishing double standard.
Buyer can exercise absolute bigotry against the vendor's ethnicity, religion, SOGI
Vendor can't say we choose not to sell the ethnic, religious, gay product or service you want.

Rainbow gestapo businesses (GAFA etc) can force their employees to sign LGBTQ tolerance acceptance policy forms - or face the sack.

But businesses which don't support SSM and Bathroom Bills get sued.
...because, ya know, businesses have to wear blindfolds and stay out of LGBT politics.

A boycott is individuals refusing to buy, not businesses refusing to sell. A different thing entirely.

Although it's true (well, if it were) that I sell 3D-printed toppers, it's not true that I will sell just any ole 3D-printed toppers. I have what some may think are disgusting values, and I have full intentions of discriminating on the basis of those values I hold, but because I want to serve what I do to the public, I'm willing to serve 3D-printed toppers to even members of groups I fear and hate--but not just any ole 3D-toppers.

[/walks away wondering what a 3D-topper is, lol]

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well, you just 2D print a catalog of the cake toppers you are willing to print with your 3D machine.

 

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Well, you just 2D print a catalog of the cake toppers you are willing to print with your 3D machine.

No, I'll take it on a case by case basis. I will summon every ounce of filth and hate I have to display my discriminatory bent. People won't like it and think it's not right, and in some cases they just might not be mistaken, but whatever way I find to PRODUCT discriminate and judge others, what I won't do is PEOPLE discrimate.

So, I can hate men and choose because of that to sell only woman's clothing, but I will limit my hatred to the product line I carry, not to the sex of those that might choose to patronize my business.