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Circumcision technique issues

It should be called Paulism not Christianity.

Paul took the Jewish out of Jesus.

I expect Jesus kept kosher so to speak.
 
In the RCC church I went to as a kid there was a large bigger than life crucifix hanging over the alter.

A blue eyed, blonde haired, porcelain white skinned Jesus. I have heard Christina argue ancient Jews were blonde haired and blue eyed.

In the 60s in a black neighbors house I saw an image of a black Jesus, I was too young to understand the significance.

Back to Jesus as a Rorschach Test.

I wonder if Leaned us struggling with the realization that he is a gentile. Just like us artistes.
 
It should be called Paulism not Christianity.

Paul took the Jewish out of Jesus.
Which by the same logic as Ideologyhunter's that would mean: Jesus took the Israelites out of Jews born from Judah?

I expect Jesus kept kosher so to speak.
He kept them 100 %

Apparently he came because no one could keep them. As the story goes - people would be condemned by those laws. A savior would be appropiately in order here., I guess you know the rest from this point (assuming we read from the same page that particular part)..
 
In the RCC church I went to as a kid there was a large bigger than life crucifix hanging over the alter.

A blue eyed, blonde haired, porcelain white skinned Jesus. I have heard Christina argue ancient Jews were blonde haired and blue eyed.

In the 60s in a black neighbors house I saw an image of a black Jesus, I was too young to understand the significance.
I suppose its like when preachers in France shouts to the congregation :
Loué soit le Seigneur!

steve-b in unison with the congregation shouting out: Praise the Lord! (in alternative world where you have converted)

And Preachers in China shouts to their congregation the same phrase; 'Praise the Lord' in Chinese!

It doesn't matter what skin tone Jesus is portrayed as being, really.
Back to Jesus as a Rorschach Test.

I wonder if Leaned us struggling with the realization that he is a gentile. Just like us artistes.

Wonder no more. I'm happy to go by the same terms to meet you with the same understanding. I am fine being classed a gentile.
 
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Jesus was thoroughly Jewish. You apparently are not.
I see, by that train of thought, although trivial... I could call myself Jewish in terms of how Moses, Joshua, Saul and King David did.
Characters that both Christians and Jews hold dear to their faiths.
Yo0u are a real trip.

I have known a few self declared Jews.

You still have not answered the question of authenticity and veracity of the gospels. Until you answer tat everything else is just hot air,.
 
Learner by all accounts Jesus was Jew preacher to Jews, not the 'world'.

He reinforced Mosaic Law and the prophets.

As I like to say if you want to follow Jesus live by the customs of the Jews.

As I understand it to convert to Judaism you first have to show you live like a Jew for some perio0d. You have to go before a religious court.

Unlike Chrtianity where all you have to do is say you accept Jesus as your savior and you are a Christiana. Baptism is the common ritual but not required.

Here in Seattle Mount Zion Baptist has a baptismal pool. Full body immersion. Like Jesus being baptized by John The Baptist in the Jordan River.

PYo0ur sins are washed away and you are reborn into a new reality.

Born tribute the supernatural. It is psychology

That is why I ask you what is your experience as a Christian? Is it all just about debating the bible, or is it an all consuming joy like the Hank Williams link to I saw The Light??


If you are not energized and joyful from your faith you are really not getting it. If it is all about yourself you are not getting it.

If you are socializing with fellow believer and are a lone wolf you are not getting it. I herd it described as being part of a kind of collective, but maintaining your individuality. Maybe transcendence is the word.


oing on 15 years ago I got invited to a private Evangelical meeting. A loose group of about 20 people met for years met in a building on someone's property.

No leader, some were recorder elders. Kids were playing around. Musicians played and sang. People laid hands for hhealing. A woman had a vision and talked about it. When moved by the spirit the guy who invited me began reading form the bible and interpreting.

From what I see in the NT that was like what early Jesus followers were probably like.

I read Mother Teresa's book. She described the holy spirit as a tangible thing that can be passed person to person..

So Lerner, what is your Christian experience?
 
Jesus was thoroughly Jewish. You apparently are not.
I see, by that train of thought, although trivial... I could call myself Jewish in terms of how Moses, Joshua, Saul and King David did.
Characters that both Christians and Jews hold dear to their faiths.
Yo0u are a real trip.

I have known a few self declared Jews.
You've known a few self-declared Jews. Are you saying theyre not really Jews according to Jewish customs? What do you mean by this ?

You still have not answered the question of authenticity and veracity of the gospels. Until you answer tat everything else is just hot air,.
'Until then', he says.

I have explained tons of time why I believe the Gospels.
I always respond directly (when I can) to a variety of specific points you keep throwing out there (like hot air) - Take a read back at our dialogue.
 
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Learner

I did not ask why you believe.

I asked what is the experience of being Christian for you?

Maybe you do not understand the question. That would be sad.
 
He complains about "dumping", which I guess means being ambushed with a blizzard of objections. What he's confronted with are observations that a reasonably astute Sunday school student could ask:
"You said God was loving and just. But in this story, he kills David's baby because of what David did. How is that loving? How is that just?"
"You said Jesus was our Lord and Master and led the most perfect life. So why aren't we Jewish?"
 
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org...hels-over-circumcision-involving-oral-suction

Health officials earlier linked 17 cases of infant herpes since 2000 to the ancient ritual of sucking blood from the wounds on the infants' penises.

On Tuesday, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio's administration said circumcisers (mohels) should no longer be required to obtain signed consent forms before the rites. Administration officials said they would ask the Board of Health to vote to rescind the requirement while working with a coalition of rabbinical leaders and medical experts to educate members of the ultra-Orthodox community about the possible dangers of the practice, known as 'metzitzah b'peh' in Hebrew. A vote is expected in June.

If an infant is found to have herpes after a circumcision, officials will ask a rabbinical coalition to identify the mohelwho performed it so his DNA can be tested. If he's found to have infected the infant, he'll be banned from performing the ritual.

Oral suction circumcisions first came under scrutiny in 2012 during Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration, which asked parents or guardians to sign consent forms indicating they understood the medical risks. But the city's mohels, believed to perform more than 3,000 rites annually, say they applied strict medical procedures, including testing for herpes, sterilizing their hands and rinsing with mouthwash before the ceremony.

Rabbi A. Romi Cohn, who has performed 35,000 circumcisions, was quoted by the news agency AP as saying that he believed babies could have contracted the herpes virus from sources other than mohels.

New York City officials said that DNA testing by health officials likely would prove or disprove whether there's a match between an infected infant and a mohel. If not and a baby still tests positive, health officials will try to seek the source of the herpes, which often results in skin blisters.

The agreement fulfills the mayor's commitment to find a more effective policy that protects children and religious rights. "Increasing trust and communication between the city and this community is critical to achieve the administration's ultimate goal of ensuring the health and safety of every child, and this new policy seeks to establish a relationship based on engagement and mutual respect," the administration said in a statement.

Details of the agreement haven't been finalized, but officials concede it's impossible to enforce the proposed measures in a community that practices its religious freedom in private.

Trying to get back on topic of the OP. I thought this had been banned in NYC, but apparently an agreement was made between city government and the conservative Jewish Rabbis who did this procedure, because it was viewed as a violation of their religious freedom I had been under the impression that freedom of religion didn't apply was it did harm, especially to innocent children.

Now I'll go a bit off topic, since Learner has interjected his version of Christianity. The most harm that was done to me as a child was being indoctrinated into evangelical Christianity. I was told that my Catholic friends would spend eternity in hell being tortured. It gave me emotional damage. I chose to be Baptized by dunking around age 8, hoping this would help me experience the so called joy of Christianity. It didn't help. I did my best not to think too much about it as all of my close friends weren't evangelicals. I stopped dating a very handsome Jewish boy because I was afraid my mother would be upset. He was so generous and kind and I was so stupid to break up with him.

I left Christianity after attending an evangelical college for one semester because I realized the beliefs were cruel and insane. A Church friend told me that I shouldn't think too much about it and that would help me believe. I will never forget that day.
After studying world religions on my own, I realized there were no gods in my mid 20s and the truth had set me free. Luckily, I met my true love, 2nd and current husband, who after we dated for about 2 months or so, told me when I asked him, that he didn't believe in god. My son, who I did mildly expose to religion because I wanted him to decide for himself what was true and not, refers to religion as fairy tales. I think that's a good way of viewing it and for some reason some people need some fairy tales in their lives. I get the need for the socialization that a church brings, but most of my Christain friends never go to church. They just need some mythology to help them cope. They are all good people, who I love and they accept me as an atheist. So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I just hope none of the Jewish babies get infections from the stupid practice of a Rabbi sucking their blood when they perform circumcision. Kind of sounds like a vampire thing to me.

But the scariest thing right now is the White Christian Nationalists who are trying to turn our once secular government into a Christian theocracy.
 
He complains about "dumping", which I guess means being ambushed with a blizzard of objections. What he's confronted with are observations that a reasonably astute
Not at all.

I want to make sure that YOU understand, and make it clear: that if you DO happen to dump a long list of issues into one block mass, hoping or thinking this would stumble someone from responding back..
....I will say... that it would require for such bulky lists a breakdown into segments, and time to address each issue that was dumped together. That's a lot of texts to respond with
(especially for me who lacks that talent, who keeps rearranging and re-editing last minute additions to sentences trying to make it coherent enough to read).

Otherwise I'm gonna get people making excuses I didn't answer a lotta questions. Which, for some,would be a deliberate intention tactic just to debate with

Sunday school student could ask:
"You said God was loving and just. But in this story, he kills David's baby because of what David did. How is that loving? How is that just?"
Since when was it preached we should do everything that the ancient Israelites did in the times of normality when everyday was a war?

It really is down to perspectives....and getting it right.

"You said Jesus was our Lord and Master and led the most perfect life. So why aren't we Jewish?"

Jesus wants you to be loving your neighbours and your enemies like yourself...which is all up to YOU!

So, what would yours or anyone elses reasons be to resist this?

There are NO Jews or Gentiles in Christ, btw - which is one of the Gospel narrative points, everyone, what ever background.. is included with Jesus.

This is what people seem to ignore about Christianity when arguing about the "Jewish versus Christianity religiosity"; a divisive tactic, and is rhetorically another false baseline to undermine the Christian faith.
 
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