Clinton campaign tries to get Sanders to NY debate during NCAA Syracuse match

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am a little skeptical that Sanders would act like Clinton if he were winning--I can't really be sure.

Ya, and you can't be sure that the sun will rise tommorrow morning, but it's a pretty damn good bet. He may not engage in as many dirty tricks as Clinton, but I disagree with you that the man is an idiot who would squander his advantage by giving his opponents the chance to get more ammunition.

BUT that isn't how this works, Tom. They agreed to have N debates beforehand.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, and you can't be sure that the sun will rise tommorrow morning, but it's a pretty damn good bet. He may not engage in as many dirty tricks as Clinton, but I disagree with you that the man is an idiot who would squander his advantage by giving his opponents the chance to get more ammunition.

BUT that isn't how this works, Tom. They agreed to have N debates beforehand.

And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

 

[Jarhyn]

BUT that isn't how this works, Tom. They agreed to have N debates beforehand.

And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

I can't help but notice that Sanders has had many opportunities to be the dick you claim he would be if he were winning. Rather than exploiting exploitable parts of the DNC database, the Sanders campaign reported the vulnerabilities. Rather than taking money from questionable sources or compromising on his funding promises, he's given back money he doesn't feel he can take ethically. Rather than going to town about Hillary's emails, he clearly and vocally divested himself of any argument he could have made. Rather than having a press conference about every time Hillary has tried to lie about his civil rights record he has just simply issued statements and asked quietly for corrections. He hasn't charged the Clinton campaign for illegal poll practices, though they have clearly happened in a number of important districts.

I just don't see the Sanders campaign doing the same sort of backbiting; he could have had at it from day 1, has had lots of opportunities, and hasn't taken them.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And he's losing as a result. It's good that the person handling America's diplomatic affairs won't be such a pushover who lets the people who'd be depending on him suffer because he's not willing to step up and be a leader. Hillary will just fucking rip Putin's heart out of his chest and eat it infront of him if he gave her crap, as opposed to Bernie who'd just find a corner to whimper and hide in because he doesn't have what it takes.

 

[Jarhyn]

And he's losing as a result. It's good that the person handling America's diplomatic affairs won't be such a pushover who lets the people who'd be depending on him suffer because he's not willing to step up and be a leader. Hillary will just fucking rip Putin's heart out of his chest and eat it infront of him if he gave her crap, as opposed to Bernie who'd just find a corner to whimper and hide in because he doesn't have what it takes.

There's a difference between having a backbone and being a dick. I proved my point that it is unlikely that Bernie would be such a jackass if he were currently winning/Hillary was being less of a bitch. But on that same notion, Bernie has already shown the backbone to tackle hard jobs, even to the point of going to jail for what is right. It is EASY to be as base and hollow as Hillary. She reminds me of President Camacho on Idiocracy. All bluster, and when it comes time to do a thing, doing exactly the wrong thing because she doesn't really care about anything enough to know 'right' from 'popular'.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

BUT that isn't how this works, Tom. They agreed to have N debates beforehand.

And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

I believe that the discussion was in regard to when a debate would occur that was already counted in N (i.e. planned for but not scheduled).

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And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

I can't help but notice that Sanders has had many opportunities to be the dick you claim he would be if he were winning. Rather than exploiting exploitable parts of the DNC database, the Sanders campaign reported the vulnerabilities. Rather than taking money from questionable sources or compromising on his funding promises, he's given back money he doesn't feel he can take ethically. Rather than going to town about Hillary's emails, he clearly and vocally divested himself of any argument he could have made. Rather than having a press conference about every time Hillary has tried to lie about his civil rights record he has just simply issued statements and asked quietly for corrections. He hasn't charged the Clinton campaign for illegal poll practices, though they have clearly happened in a number of important districts.

I just don't see the Sanders campaign doing the same sort of backbiting; he could have had at it from day 1, has had lots of opportunities, and hasn't taken them.

To add a few things to that list:
Not afraid to call himself a socialist whether it's popular or not and has actually changed Americans' perceptions as a result;
Voted against the Iraq war the first time;
Voted against the USA PATRIOT Act the first time, too, back in 2001.

 

[Harry Bosch]

And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

I believe that the discussion was in regard to when a debate would occur that was already counted in N (i.e. planned for but not scheduled).

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And the leader finds ways to want less and the ones behind find a way to argue how necessary it is to have more. Also, aren't they talking about scheduling new debates? That would suggest that the value of N was somewhat undefined.

I can't help but notice that Sanders has had many opportunities to be the dick you claim he would be if he were winning. Rather than exploiting exploitable parts of the DNC database, the Sanders campaign reported the vulnerabilities. Rather than taking money from questionable sources or compromising on his funding promises, he's given back money he doesn't feel he can take ethically. Rather than going to town about Hillary's emails, he clearly and vocally divested himself of any argument he could have made. Rather than having a press conference about every time Hillary has tried to lie about his civil rights record he has just simply issued statements and asked quietly for corrections. He hasn't charged the Clinton campaign for illegal poll practices, though they have clearly happened in a number of important districts.

I just don't see the Sanders campaign doing the same sort of backbiting; he could have had at it from day 1, has had lots of opportunities, and hasn't taken them.

To add a few things to that list:
Not afraid to call himself a socialist whether it's popular or not and has actually changed Americans' perceptions as a result;
Voted against the Iraq war the first time;
Voted against the USA PATRIOT Act the first time, too, back in 2001.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Clinton will win. She's way ahead now. The remaining states after Wisconsin will all heavily vote Clinton. And all but one of the remaining states are proportational, meaning that even a inprobably Sanders win won't move the needle much.