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Some Conservatives Have Been Against Capitalism for Centuries | The American Conservative "They just haven’t been that effective."

A review of the book Conservatives Against Capitalism: From the Industrial Revolution to Globalization by Peter Kolozi, Columbia University Press, 254 pages.

It mainly discusses American conservatism, but some of what it describes may fit in other parts of the world.
Throughout the 2016 GOP primaries, Donald Trump’s opponents on the right derided him for, among other things, his lack of proper conservative ideological moorings. If conservatism is defined by a commitment to bellicose foreign policies, traditional cultural values, and, most importantly, laissez-faire economics, then these critics were correct. Trump showed little sincere commitment to any of these positions. Yet this is not the only possible definition of conservatism.
Avoiding conservatives' self-congratulatory definitions of the political spectrum, "Kolozi relied on Norberto Bobbio’s expansive definition of right and left, dividing the two camps according to their preference for equality or hierarchy." Left = equality, Right = hierarchy

He argues that ever since the Industrial Revolution, capitalism has critics on the Right, critics who have argued "that laissez-faire capitalism has undermined an established social hierarchy governed by the virtuous or excellent." Capitalism apologists may respond that capitalism itself automatically rewards virtue and excellence, but they look the other way at crooked business tactics and rewarding of only a limited set of skills.

Kolozi started with defenders of slavery in the antebellum US, like James Henry Hammond. JHH argued for the mudsill theory of society, where a degraded lower class is necessary to support an upper class that then creates higher civilization.

Those defenders agreed with critics of early industrialism on the Left about how bad it was. But they argued that slaveowners had a moral and economic incentives to take care of their slaves, while factory owners did not have such incentives to take care of their workers. They also argued that slaveowners' discipline of their slaves kept left-wing radicalism from getting started in the lower classes.

Kolozi also noted the inconsistencies and hypocrisies in that position. Some of them are rather obvious. Slaves were bought and sold like farm animals, and the plantations themselves mainly produced cash crops like cotton and tobacco. So antebellum plantation slavery was very capitalistic in some ways.

Also, when the Confederate Army requisitioned foodstuffs for feeding its troops in the Civil War, JHH protested that it was like "branding on my forehead 'SLAVE'".

Slaveowners might have responded by saying that such capitalism was part of the mudsill of their society, something demeaning but necessary for their way of life, just like slavery was. They might have continued by saying that the highest calling is to live leisurely lives as gentlemen and ladies, living off the labors of others, and doing only as much capitalism as is necessary for their lifestyles.
 
American capitalism with the Industrial Revolution becomes worse than slavery.

Children chained to work stations. Indoors all day.

Paid nothing.

It is only through the bloody struggles of unions that capitalism became somewhat bearable for working people.

And capitalists work hard every day to turn those gains around.

At one time pensions were common for working people.

Those days have pretty much ended.

And now the capitalist vultures want Social Security too.

The poorer and weaker the population the better for capitalism.
 
After the Civil War was the Gilded Age of capitalist robber barons, and while their critics on the Left were well-known, their critics on the Right have been pretty much forgotten.

One of them was Theodore Roosevelt, well-known for his trustbusting and other progressive policies. But he expressed some criticisms of capitalism from the Right.
Roosevelt, inspired by the work of Brooks Adams, was disgusted by the rise of “economic man,” focused on trivial bourgeois concerns. With the closing of the frontier, Roosevelt was concerned that Americans would lose their adventurous temperament, and the new American elite would be dominated by economic bean counters, lacking in aristocratic and martial virtues. To keep the restless, conquering American spirit alive, Roosevelt believed America needed a new great challenge: the creation of an American empire. Such an endeavor, however, required bringing the industrialists to heel and made to serve this grandiose endeavor.
The US had passed on the Scramble for Africa by the European powers in the late 19th cy., likely because the Civil War had made Americans reluctant to fight other big wars. But that eventually wore off, and the US went into action again in 1898, fighting the Spanish-American War, and acquiring Cuba and the Philippines. TR himself led the Rough Riders in Cuba.

Then the US broke Panama off from Colombia in 1903, to build the Panama Canal there.

But this dream of an American Empire died in the trenches of France in World War I.

After the war was big business and galloping capitalism, what TR thought so undignified. It lasted until the stock-market crash of 1929.

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The Southern Agrarians of that time lamented the advance of capitalism as interfering with the South's social hierarchies and agricultural economy. They firmly believed in a social hierarchy of the races, and did so well into the civil-rights struggles.
They did, however, argue that their social hierarchy was less brutal than the one that prevailed in industrial capitalism. The titans of industry, they argued, had no concerns beyond profitability. In contrast, the elites in an agrarian context remain close to the people they command, absentee ownership is non-existent, and a sense of mutual obligation and noblesse oblige remain the norm.
 
Teddy Roosevelt was kind of an island to himself.

Born rich. Puts himself into exile in the West and transforms himself into as hard a worker as any ditch digger. Incredible mind but prejudiced and ignorant in many areas.

Hard to connect him to what are called "conservatives" or the "right" today.

He was a Republican, but he would not fit into that party today.
 
During the 1950's and 1960's, US conservatism reached its familiar form: free markets, strong national defense, and traditional values, or in less flattering form, anything-goes capitalism, militarism, and the Religious Right.

But some of the earlier ones were not happy with this embrace of capitalism. They "wanted to redefine conservatism away from the popularly held notion that it prioritized economic freedom and unrestrained individualism."


Then in the 1970's and 1980's came neoconservatism. Neocons generally accepted some welfare statism, even if they considered some other welfare statism destructive to social order.

Especially after the end of the Cold War, neocons started criticizing capitalism in terms that Teddy Roosevelt would have understood. Even its ending was likely something that they might consider undignified. The Soviet bloc's Communist regimes fell mostly peacefully, and the Soviet Union broke up in much that fashion. There wasn't the glory of a military triumph over the Soviet bloc, complete with riding tanks into Moscow.

The neocons criticized capitalism as preoccupation with frivolous economic concerns, something that interferes with being united for a common purpose and with wanting to build an overseas empire. So they rejoiced in the 9-11 attacks as providing new enemies for Americans to fight.

Kolozi argues that Barack Obama continued the neocon tradition in some important ways. Continuing like with Obamacare being national Romneycare, and with his foreign policy continuing much of George Bush II's foreign policy. As with Bill Clinton, someone with similar policies, the right wing's hatred of him is bizarre.

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Kolozi ends with paleoconservatism, something that has gradually reappeared after the Cold War, especially in Donald Trump's candidacy.
Paleoconservatives—especially Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan—argued that global capitalism harmed the material concerns of so-called Middle Americans. Because transnational elites have no loyalty to anything but profitability and their own class, they have no qualms about outsourcing manufacturing to developing countries, or importing immigrants to undercut American wages.

Aside from the material harms caused by global capitalism, its cultural effects are equally important to paleoconservatives. According to the paleos, the global capitalist dream is world of atomized, interchangeable consumers. They care nothing about religion or culture, and for this reason their influence must be limited. The paleoconservatives called for a new identity politics for Middle America—implicitly racial in Buchanan’s case, explicitly in Francis’s.

Kolozi's history shows that the Left has been much more successful in taming capitalism than the Right, and that in practice, factions aligned with corporate interests have generally won. Despite Trump's presidency, the Republican Congressmembers have been on the side of those interests. GH: "... Kolozi’s history suggests conservatism has always been for sale to the highest bidder."
 
Reagan represented a complete embrace of capitalism. Thatcher says there is no alternative.

Suddenly markets are magic.

And they tell people things. Like the stars in the sky tell other people things.

A mass delusion begins that lasts to this day.

The stories about how great capitalism is on one side.

And the eroding quality of life for most because capitalism is getting stronger on the other.

Apes controlled by consumerism.

As they slave harder and harder to pay off higher and higher education costs.
 
Well, let's not forget the Communists and Anarchists for Capitalism.

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Smash the Capitalist pigs in the latest fashions!
 
Capitalism is a baby step from slavery.

It uses the same power arrangement of master and slave.

It is primitive and anti-democratic.

It is something despots and cheats desire.

A worker owned and controlled economy is the next step in human progress.

Getting rid of masters in all their forms is the rational goal of humanity.
 
Capitalism is a baby step from slavery.

It uses the same power arrangement of master and slave.

It is primitive and anti-democratic.

It is something despots and cheats desire.

A worker owned and controlled economy is the next step in human progress.

Getting rid of masters in all their forms is the rational goal of humanity.


And Pol Pot correctly understood that the only system that really solves that "moral" issue is everybody works in a rice paddy. Maybe why Chomsky never had much of an issue with Pol Pot.
 
Capitalism is a baby step from slavery.

It uses the same power arrangement of master and slave.

It is primitive and anti-democratic.

It is something despots and cheats desire.

A worker owned and controlled economy is the next step in human progress.

Getting rid of masters in all their forms is the rational goal of humanity.


And Pol Pot correctly understood that the only system that really solves that "moral" issue is everybody works in a rice paddy. Maybe why Chomsky never had much of an issue with Pol Pot.

Anarchism in Spain was more advanced and more productive than it's capitalist counterparts.

The essence of Anarchism is democratic control.

The elimination of strong men. The elimination of dictatorial bosses.

That you reference a strong man, a dictator, shows the level of your ignorance.
 
Compared to the rest of the World, the poor in the US are rich.
Trausti, what is your excuse for not joining these supposed aristocrats? Yes, your excuse. By not joining them, you seem much like defender of slavery James Henry Hammond, a defender of slavery who objected to something as treating him like a slave.

Also, that means that US middle-class people are super rich and US rich people are super super rich. This means that rich people don't deserve all the tears that capitalism apologists weep for them.
 
A worker owned and controlled economy is the next step in human progress.
Seems like a nice idea, but how will one keep a new ruling class from emerging? I think that the Left has failed to adequately address that problem. George Orwell wrote an animal allegory about Soviet Communism, "Animal Farm", and in it, the pigs became the ruling class of the liberated farm. I won't spoil it by describing what the pigs eventually do. So how would the Left avert the pig takeover in this scenario?
 
Bono: "Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid"
off to the gulag for this guy.
More details at Pro Bono Capitalism | HuffPost
Aid is just a stop-gap. Commerce [and] entrepreneurial capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid.

In dealing with poverty here and around the world, welfare and foreign aid are a Band-Aid. Free enterprise is a cure. Entrepreneurship is the most sure way of development.

Rock star preaches capitalism. Sometimes I hear myself and I just can’t believe it.
By being a rock star, he is already a capitalist.

I think that capitalism is good to a certain extent. But it must be kept from having bad consequences, and capitalism apologists seem very happy with such bad consequences. It's like they proudly believe that you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

Capitalism is good for producing wealth, but not very good for distributing wealth. Capitalism apologists pretend that that is a non-problem, but failure to distribute produced wealth destroys one of their favorite selling points about capitalism: that it automatically produces broad-based prosperity.

Bono also falls into that trap. He does not specify very clearly that it must be capitalism that keeps produced wealth in Africa instead of being sent off to distant business owners.
 
off to the gulag for this guy.

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This really does say everything. Ipetrich provides insightful information into the anomalous minds of some conservatives over the years, Trausti gives us a picture of Bono with some words attributed to him

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Bono: "Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid"

More details at Pro Bono Capitalism | HuffPost
Aid is just a stop-gap. Commerce [and] entrepreneurial capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid.

In dealing with poverty here and around the world, welfare and foreign aid are a Band-Aid. Free enterprise is a cure. Entrepreneurship is the most sure way of development.

Rock star preaches capitalism. Sometimes I hear myself and I just can’t believe it.
By being a rock star, he is already a capitalist.

I think that capitalism is good to a certain extent. But it must be kept from having bad consequences, and capitalism apologists seem very happy with such bad consequences. It's like they proudly believe that you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

Capitalism is good for producing wealth, but not very good for distributing wealth. Capitalism apologists pretend that that is a non-problem, but failure to distribute produced wealth destroys one of their favorite selling points about capitalism: that it automatically produces broad-based prosperity.

Bono also falls into that trap. He does not specify very clearly that it must be capitalism that keeps produced wealth in Africa instead of being sent off to distant business owners.

Someone once told me that the problem isn't wanting to have more than you do, the problem is wanting to have more than everyone else. I like that because it really does provide a difference between greed and wanting to simply better yourself.

For a lot of the super wealthy, being wealthy isn't enough. They have to be the MOST wealthy and have the BIGGEST pile of money so they can sit on it and laugh in the face of god for being so POOR!
 


Ethiopia now has nearly triple the popluation since Live Aid. Quinn sees pretty clearly.
 
Returning to the OP, anti-capitalist conservatives have tried to tame capitalism rather than abolish it outright. That is also true of much of the Left, though not of orthodox Communists. Their great experiment in abolishing capitalism involved an alternative that produced very poor economic results, and they ended up having lots of creeping capitalism. Of the surviving nominally Communist countries, Communist China is now an enthusiastic capitalist roader, to use an old Maoist insult, and the other four ones are also in varying degrees.

What has succeeded in taming capitalism is social democracy and welfare statism and labor unionism, and those are getting weakened.

The Right has been much less successful. The defenders of slavery were the only ones who could point to an alternative system -- the antebellum South's quasi-feudalism -- and much of the Right seems happy to be in the pay of this capitalist and that.

As to whether or not capitalism needs to be tamed, look at a subculture that defies government regulation: criminal gangs. It can sometimes succeed, like breeding nice strains of marijuana, but it also has people killing each other as a way of settling disputes. In the US in the 1930's and 1940's, there used to be an informal guild of organized-crime hired killers that some newspaper writers called "Murder, Inc." Its members killed some 400 to 1000 people.
 
Humans are always going to relate with each other in a hierarchical power structure. Any imposed structure will be gamed.
 
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