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[maxparrish]

The COP20 thread has de-evolved into polarized opinions over nuclear power. That's fine, but its overdue that we have a thread where we report and comment upon past and recent developments...and not get pigeonholed.

Begin here:

THE UNSERIOUSNESS OF THE PARIS CLIMATE TALKS

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/the-unseriousness-of-the-paris-climate-talks.php

Current word out of Paris is that a new draft of a climate agreement won’t be ready until tomorrow (Saturday) morning, even though the climate summit is supposed to adjourn today. It is following the predictable script. There’s going to be a humdinger of an all-nighter in Paris tonight. The usual sticking points (who pays how much to whom) are all up in the air.

Meanwhile, just as a number of scientists have started to say that the hitherto sacred 2 degree Celsius warming target maybe isn’t so sacred after all (because the emissions commitments of the draft agreement won’t come close to achieving that target even if everyone meets their imaginary notional emissions limits), word is that the agreement will say that the policy target should be moved down to 1.5 degrees Celsius!

I can only imagine how this conversation went down in some Paris bistro: “I’ve got it! Since our current 2 degree target is unreachable, let’s swap it our for an even more unrealistic target!”

Chris Horner suggests:

Maybe, just maybe, key players are beginning to see that the 4, 5 or 6° rise in temperature foreseen is increasingly unlikely and that Mankind’s contribution to climate change is much closer to that discussed by the much-vilified ‘lukewarmers’. What if there is a realization that a lower temperature rise limit is safe to commit to because it is likely to be achieved without any change to present policy?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/the-unseriousness-of-the-paris-climate-talks.php

 

[arkirk]

The COP20 thread has de-evolved into polarized opinions over nuclear power. That's fine, but its overdue that we have a thread where we report and comment upon past and recent developments...and not get pigeonholed.

Begin here:

THE UNSERIOUSNESS OF THE PARIS CLIMATE TALKS

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/the-unseriousness-of-the-paris-climate-talks.php



Chris Horner suggests:

Maybe, just maybe, key players are beginning to see that the 4, 5 or 6° rise in temperature foreseen is increasingly unlikely and that Mankind’s contribution to climate change is much closer to that discussed by the much-vilified ‘lukewarmers’. What if there is a realization that a lower temperature rise limit is safe to commit to because it is likely to be achieved without any change to present policy?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/the-unseriousness-of-the-paris-climate-talks.php

This post with its denialist link is a good measure of the unseriousness of Max. What else would you expect from the "Powerline Blog?" It even suggests that we need to do nothing and the actual temperature rise will be "modest."

 

[maxparrish]

Sorry old chap, there is nothing quite as unserious as the world leaders (and don't forget Jerry Brown) jetting to a plush retreat, stuffing themselves with duck pate' and expounding on the evils of carbon. It's little more than a form of Donald Trump styled theatrics for the pseudo informed crowd.

How else to explain the nit-wits, who don't have a real plan for a limit of 2 degrees, to then bandwagon on 1.5 degrees? If, as in most liberal programs, "good intentions" are somehow proof of "results", then it is no wonder that they doubled down on intentions...it let's them strut in their peacock tail feathers and are doing something.

"Since liberalism in general, and climatism in particular, are mostly about moral preening and feeling good about yourself (and assuring an unending stream of future meetings), this sounds about right."

I can't wait till COP 22, and having failed, they then declare a 1 degree limit...either that, or they are counting on the predictions of climate lukewarmers to save their frayed feather ass.

 

[arkirk]

Sorry old chap, there is nothing quite as unserious as the world leaders (and don't forget Jerry Brown) jetting to a plush retreat, stuffing themselves with duck pate' and expounding on the evils of carbon. It's little more than a form of Donald Trump styled theatrics for the pseudo informed crowd.

How else to explain the nit-wits, who don't have a real plan for a limit of 2 degrees, to then bandwagon on 1.5 degrees? If, as in most liberal programs, "good intentions" are somehow proof of "results", then it is no wonder that they doubled down on intentions...it let's them strut in their peacock tail feathers and are doing something.

"Since liberalism in general, and climatism in particular, are mostly about moral preening and feeling good about yourself (and assuring an unending stream of future meetings), this sounds about right."

I can't wait till COP 22, and having failed, they then declare a 1 degree limit...either that, or they are counting on the predictions of climate lukewarmers to save their frayed feather ass.

Your posts indicate you just don't understand what is happening. The temp is already past there.This conference was sequestered from the public and also the scientists and also from the reality that the carbon reductions promised still leave a temperature rise over 3 degrees celsius. You probably would support the Saudis position real well. Don't imagine there is any place, even where you live, that is immune to damage caused by this irresponsible act. I am confident at some point in your life you will ask yourself why you ever indeed felt as you are expressing here. That is something you will have to live with.

 

[lpetrich]

Sorry old chap, there is nothing quite as unserious as the world leaders (and don't forget Jerry Brown) jetting to a plush retreat, stuffing themselves with duck pate'

Just like your heroes.

and expounding on the evils of carbon.

The evils of too much of it. Just because food is good doesn't mean that gluttony is also good.

(other grumpiness snipped)

 

[TSwizzle]

It seems the world leaders (buffoon Jerry Brown included) have settled on 1.5 degrees. One can only shake one's head.

 

[maxparrish]

What especially amuses is that that the farce was predictable political kabuki. Steve Hayward at Powerline was spot on when he wrote (Nov 29th):

I’m not sure what’s going to be more fun over the next 10 days—watching John “Long Face” Kerry prattle on, or reading the predictable stories in the media about how the conference is “deadlocked,” “going into overtime,” and announcing, at the 11th hour, a “breakthrough!” that will save the planet—at least until we can all meet again next year to repeat the farce.

The nations of the world pledging to slow global warming...after it is already slowing.

There are only two plausible reasons for the 1.5 degree theater:

a) They know its going to happen anyway, and want to be 'ahead of the public admiration curve'; not unlike the Mayor of Mayberry, who never passed up an opportunity to have his picture taken or take credit for any good news from others.

b) They know they can't influence climate change, so they might as well keep up the act of doing something...announcing evermore unrealistic goals as "doing something".

c) They are Climatnista fanatics, out of touch with reality.

Cynics, opportunists, or fanatics...take your choice.

 

[TSwizzle]

ignorance, arrogance, pig headed and never underestimate their ability for sheer incompetence.

 

[maxparrish]

Hey, on rare occasions the "green" left is candid. Apparently Jerry Brown was feeling 'the warmth' when he jetted to Paris to help save the world. He expressed the soul of the totalitarian power loving left:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article48466200.html

Jerry Brown: ‘Never underestimate the coercive power of the central state’

PARIS—... But on Monday it was the “coercive power” of government for which Gov. Jerry Brown was seeking credit.

Regulations, he said at an event with billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer at an art museum in the city, “work hand in glove”... forcing companies...

...Later, at the site where world leaders are meeting to negotiate a climate pact outside of Paris, Brown urged a small crowd to “never underestimate the coercive power of the central state in the service of good.”

“You can be sure California is going to keep innovating, keep regulating,” the Democratic governor said. “And, shall I say, keep taxing.”

Controversially, many green-energy businesses benefit from government subsidies or policies to reduce greenhouse gases.

At a news conference Monday evening, business owners chuckled when asked if their companies would be viable without government support.

K.R. Sridhar, chief executive officer of the fuel cell company Bloom Energy, said, “There’s almost nothing in the post-industrial age, no business, no industry that ever got started or ever flourished without policy support, without subsidy and without federal support.”

The corrupt bribe taking mantra of cronies beholden to the state welfare, from Russia, to Venezuela, to California.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What especially amuses is that that the farce was predictable political kabuki. Steve Hayward at Powerline was spot on when he wrote (Nov 29th):

I’m not sure what’s going to be more fun over the next 10 days—watching John “Long Face” Kerry prattle on, or reading the predictable stories in the media about how the conference is “deadlocked,” “going into overtime,” and announcing, at the 11th hour, a “breakthrough!” that will save the planet—at least until we can all meet again next year to repeat the farce.

The nations of the world pledging to slow global warming...after it is already slowing.

There are only two plausible reasons for the 1.5 degree theater:

a) They know its going to happen anyway, and want to be 'ahead of the public admiration curve'; not unlike the Mayor of Mayberry, who never passed up an opportunity to have his picture taken or take credit for any good news from others.

b) They know they can't influence climate change, so they might as well keep up the act of doing something...announcing evermore unrealistic goals as "doing something".

c) They are Climatnista fanatics, out of touch with reality.

Cynics, opportunists, or fanatics...take your choice.

d) They're pretending to do something to lower the clamor from the greens while actually doing basically business as usual. 1.5 is a joke, we are going to see a lot more than that.

 

[maxparrish]

WELL ITS A DONE DEAL!

There is nothing like a crusade based on magic. Billy Graham saved souls, and the Paris summit saved the world. Every nation has agreed to sign an accord (which, by the way, is not a treaty) to agree to (someday) come to Jesus. The actual donation plates are deferred to the COP22 tent revival.

The accord does not commit anyone to do anything they really don't want to do. It's been called the Kellogg-Brand Pack, as effective as the agreement of good intentions to end all war in 1928...we know how that worked out.

In the midst of back slapping of the world's Mayberry Mayors, James Hanson had the integrity to be honest and call it a fraud.

 

[laughing dog]

Climate change deniers/do nothings like max and the pinheads at Powerline don't think anything has to be done to deal with climate change. And, according to them, the COP 21 will do nothing. Yet here they are, throwing their feces around like angry monkeys. Truly hilarious.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Maybe, just maybe, key players are beginning to see that the 4, 5 or 6° rise in temperature foreseen is increasingly unlikely and that Mankind’s contribution to climate change is much closer to that discussed by the much-vilified ‘lukewarmers’. What if there is a realisation that a lower temperature rise limit is safe to commit to because it is likely to be achieved without any change to present policy?

Because when global climatic catastrophes are the endgame, maybes, just maybes and what ifs should always be taken in to consideration. Otherwise we might spend countless billions erring on the side of caution. And we all know how important money is.

This is a joke. Listen for the silence coming from the climate scientists.