Criminal charges from event at Minneapolis police precinct

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Just recently someone has posted some articles about 4 people charged with arson or accomplices to arson at police precinct in Minneapolis. In one article there is a focus on what one of the perps (Branden Wolfe) says...that he was in favor of BLM...not a boogaloo boi, or whatever. He also claims he is manic and has some illness and various factors got him involved in what he did...rolling a barrel into a fire or something. I am sure others will post some links in support of this.

I think this MIGHT be true. Maybe.

One of the other interesting things is that such article and postings are omitting critical information to our understanding of exactly what happened...namely, that there are other persons involved in the event with criminal charges who have been reasonably proved to be boogaloo bois. Their goal was to incite violence and act as agent provocateurs.

Some others had different motives.

Illinois man Matthew Rupert, who live-streamed his riot experience, looting and lighting fires, pleaded guilty and could get at least 5 years in prison when sentenced.

And Michael Solomon and Benjamin Teeter -- two members of the extremist group "Boogaloo Bois" that infiltrated the protests -- have pleaded guilty to a plot to help a terrorist group.

A third Boogaloo Boy - Ivan Hunter - is charged with riot for shooting into the 3rd Precinct. His case is still active.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...-fire/89-4ac82487-09c5-4f64-8274-3901d7db1c09

Now is it possible that one or the other group started this first? I claim ignorance. This is the first time I've done any reading on this issue, but I don't think it's fair to only tell part of the story.

Here is an additional article with a lot more information about the boogaloo connection. Obviously, this last link is one-sided, but that is purposeful to get information from multiple sources and perspectives.

Therefore, I'd like to create this thread so that facts about the event can be discussed without any agenda of narrowly only discussing one side's claims without the other. What other information do you have? What inferences can we make about this event in time?

 

[Jarhyn]

Just recently someone has posted some articles about 4 people charged with arson or accomplices to arson at police precinct in Minneapolis. In one article there is a focus on what one of the perps (Branden Wolfe) says...that he was in favor of BLM...not a boogaloo boi, or whatever. He also claims he is manic and has some illness and various factors got him involved in what he did...rolling a barrel into a fire or something. I am sure others will post some links in support of this.

I think this MIGHT be true. Maybe.

One of the other interesting things is that such article and postings are omitting critical information to our understanding of exactly what happened...namely, that there are other persons involved in the event with criminal charges who have been reasonably proved to be boogaloo bois. Their goal was to incite violence and act as agent provocateurs.

Some others had different motives.

Illinois man Matthew Rupert, who live-streamed his riot experience, looting and lighting fires, pleaded guilty and could get at least 5 years in prison when sentenced.

And Michael Solomon and Benjamin Teeter -- two members of the extremist group "Boogaloo Bois" that infiltrated the protests -- have pleaded guilty to a plot to help a terrorist group.

A third Boogaloo Boy - Ivan Hunter - is charged with riot for shooting into the 3rd Precinct. His case is still active.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...-fire/89-4ac82487-09c5-4f64-8274-3901d7db1c09

Now is it possible that one or the other group started this first? I claim ignorance. This is the first time I've done any reading on this issue, but I don't think it's fair to only tell part of the story.

Here is an additional article with a lot more information about the boogaloo connection. Obviously, this last link is one-sided, but that is purposeful to get information from multiple sources and perspectives.

Therefore, I'd like to create this thread so that facts about the event can be discussed without any agenda of narrowly only discussing one side's claims without the other. What other information do you have? What inferences can we make about this event in time?

So, once upon a time, I was in high school. There was this big event where we were playing our concert at The Sheldon Theater in Red Wing. Maybe it was a jazz band thing?

Anyway, there we all are hanging out in the green room when it becomes apparent that there is a gathering around the soda machine.

It turned out there are a couple seniors who are stealing cans of soda from one of the locked coolers.

Now, one of the unfortunate realities of our world is that people tend towards participating in what the biggest crowd is doing. It is the underlying mechanic to a lot of problematic behaviors. And so, a lot of students who, on their own, would probably never even consider stealing shit.. are stealing shit and even bragging and communicating that there is shit to steal.

There were 2-3 people who were actively "there", performing the majority of the theft. They were precipitating an event.

None of it would have happened without those kids, and a number of other people there took all the blame, not the ones engaging in the core of the theft.

What we can say for certain is that while many people had undirected or vague issue with the police, "unspent and undirected anger", well earned over the slow and public murder of someone performed without immediate consequence, there was absolutely a vector being applied to add direction to it in the form of fomenting violence, and the Booger Bois are pretty clear and public that's their aim.

So when violence precipitates, in the presence of a known selective violence precipitant, I am probably going to investigate the impact of that before any other factor.

It's interesting to note that even when everyone is holding rocks, if someone sets down their stone quite visibly, different events may occur than when someone angrily throws it while shouting an epithet. Even within the same crowd. Booger Bois were there with the mission statement "get the rocks flying".

 

[Derec]

Just recently someone has posted some articles about 4 people charged with arson or accomplices to arson at police precinct in Minneapolis. In one article there is a focus on what one of the perps (Branden Wolfe) says...that he was in favor of BLM...not a boogaloo boi, or whatever. He also claims he is manic and has some illness and various factors got him involved in what he did...rolling a barrel into a fire or something. I am sure others will post some links in support of this.

I think this MIGHT be true. Maybe.

Why maybe? There are plenty of white #BLM and Antifa supporters.
And this particular arson was committed by two white guys and two black guys.
Face it, the probability that this is exactly what it looks like - an arson by angry #BLMers - is bordering on certainty.

One of the other interesting things is that such article and postings are omitting critical information to our understanding of exactly what happened...namely, that there are other persons involved in the event with criminal charges who have been reasonably proved to be boogaloo bois. Their goal was to incite violence and act as agent provocateurs.

During other incidents you mean? Because four people were charged with this arson - two black guys and two white guys.
What is even this "Boogaloo Bois"? Are they even a real group like the Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer? To me, even the name sounds like a 4chan parody of Proud Boys. I also can't really imagine a bunch of right wingers being fans of the Breakin' movie series.

The Left is also obsessed with denying that #BLM and Antifa did any violence in Minneapolis and elsewhere despite all evidence to the contrary. At the very least, they will insist that any white rioters are really "Boogaloo Boys" despite the fact that many white people - are legit #BLM and Antifa supporters.

Illinois man Matthew Rupert, who live-streamed his riot experience, looting and lighting fires, pleaded guilty and could get at least 5 years in prison when sentenced.

What evidence do you have that Rupert is a "Boogaloo Boy" or affiliated with any other group? Again, just because he is white is not evidence of anything.

And Michael Solomon and Benjamin Teeter -- two members of the extremist group "Boogaloo Bois" that infiltrated the protests -- have pleaded guilty to a plot to help a terrorist group.

These two tried selling weapons to Hamas. So more Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib than Donald Trump.

Again, unlike "Proud Boys" I am not convicted these "Boogaloo Boys" even exist in any real capacity. Getting two idiots who try to sell weapons to Hamas to claim they are "Boogaloo Bois" is not really evidence of an organization.

And even if they do, this has nothing to do with the 3rd precinct arson. You are trying to link Wolfe with Solomon and Teeter solely because of their skin color. Do you think Turner and Williams are Boogaloo Bois too? So why do you think Wolfe is, other than his skin color?

Again, and slowly for those slow on the uptake. Just because there exist right-wing and white supremacist white guys in the world does not mean every white person burning shit during #BLM riots is some sort of right wing agitator. There are many true believers in the #BLM/Antifa cause who happen to be white.

Obviously, this last link is one-sided, but that is purposeful to get information from multiple sources and perspectives.

One sided is an understatement. From their "About" page: "The WSWS is the online publication of the world Trotskyist movement, the International Committee of the Fourth International, and its affiliated sections in the Socialist Equality Parties around the world." LMAO!

Therefore, I'd like to create this thread so that facts about the event can be discussed without any agenda of narrowly only discussing one side's claims without the other. What other information do you have? What inferences can we make about this event in time?

Not much chance of that!
To me, it doesn't matter much which side of the horseshoe they claim, either in their heart or publicly. Pox on both their houses!
In either case they are scum who well deserve federal prosecution and prison time.
But people like Jarhyn are obsessed with trying to "prove" that all white people participating in #BLM riots are really Boogaloo Bois. I wonder why ...

 

[Derec]

It's interesting to note that even when everyone is holding rocks, if someone sets down their stone quite visibly, different events may occur than when someone angrily throws it while shouting an epithet. Even within the same crowd. Booger Bois were there with the mission statement "get the rocks flying".

That presumes that left wingers can't "precipitate things" themselves. History of left wing extremism and left wing violence is a testament that left wingers are fully willing to get violent.
Example, since everybody is obsessed with attacks on the US Capitol:


But I guess you will claim some Boogaloo Boi really started it ...

 

[Jarhyn]

It's interesting to note that even when everyone is holding rocks, if someone sets down their stone quite visibly, different events may occur than when someone angrily throws it while shouting an epithet. Even within the same crowd. Booger Bois were there with the mission statement "get the rocks flying".

That presumes that left wingers can't "precipitate things" themselves. History of left wing extremism and left wing violence is a testament that left wingers are fully willing to get violent.
Example, since everybody is obsessed with attacks on the US Capitol:
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But I guess you will claim some Boogaloo Boi really started it ...

So, you have a single example to whattabout and derail with from before I was even born. You can't find some more recent examples? Maybe do a numbers regression on that?

Of course, you won't because the vast majority of terrorism is right wing/conservative in nature.

 

[Derec]

So, you have a single example to whattabout and derail with from before I was even born.

I chose this example because the mainstream media and politicians are pretending that if it is not happening to the US Capitol that it doesn't matter.
Months of deadly #BLM and Antifa riots in 2020 are ignored, including attacks on government buildings like courthouses and ICE offices. Even armed occupations of city blocks like in Seattle, Portland, Atlanta and the ongoing one in Minneapolis are soundly ignored.

You can't find some more recent examples?

There are plenty of more recent examples. The LA Riots in 1992. Were you born then? The Benton Harbor riots in 2003. Or more recently, the Ferguson riots 2014. The Baltimore riots in 2015, called "uprising" by the #BLM. #BLM riots in other cities like Minneapolis in 2015, Charlotte or Milwaukee in 2016. The attempted firebombing of a Tacoma, WA detention facility by a lone Antifa activist in 2019. And then the widespread chaos and violence of 2020 in multiple cities over a period of many months.

Of course, you won't because the vast majority of terrorism is right wing/conservative in nature.

BS. You just dismiss all the left-wing violence as insignificant, too long ago and/or false flag by (mostly) imaginary "booger bois". Anything to avoid admitting that left wing violence is a serious problem in the US.

 

[Patooka]

BS. You just dismiss all the left-wing violence as insignificant, too long ago and/or false flag by (mostly) imaginary "booger bois". Anything to avoid admitting that left wing violence is a serious problem in the US.

Because it is. Sorry to disappoint you, but these left wing riots you are terrified about wouldn't exist if charming individuals like yourself or say Tucker Carlson spent five minutes advocating holding police accountable when they kill citizens, lie in their incident report and then hide evidence. Instead you beat off to outrage porn. Right wing violence is caused by works of fiction like pizza shops involved in child trafficking or dead Venezuelans stealing elections; much harder to take away that type of idiotic motivation.

 

[Derec]

So, you have a single example to whattabout and derail with from before I was even born.

Another example.
Carlos Espriu Of Palm Desert Sentenced To 5 Years In Federal Prison For Firebombing Republican Group’s Office In La Quinta

 

[Derec]

Because it is. Sorry to disappoint you, but these left wing riots you are terrified about wouldn't exist if charming individuals like yourself or say Tucker Carlson spent five minutes advocating holding police accountable when they kill citizens,

Vast majority of police shootings are justified. The few that are unjustified usually result in prosecutions.
The #BLM/Antifa rioters don't care about what actually happened, but solely about the skin color of the dead guy. That's why they for example call for "justice" for Patrick Kimmons who was not only armed but had just shot two other gang bangers before being shot by police.

lie in their incident report and then hide evidence.

When police do something like that, they of course need to be held accountable.
But when a perp attacks police and gets shot or something similar, they should not be crucified because of the skin color of the perp.
And nothing justifies violent rioting as we have seen since 2014 and especially last year.

Instead you beat off to outrage porn. Right wing violence is caused by works of fiction like pizza shops involved in child trafficking or dead Venezuelans stealing elections; much harder to take away that type of idiotic motivation.

#BLM nonsense about "gentle giants" and "he had a book, not a gun" is no less fictional. But there have been a lot more violent left wing riots in recent years than right wing ones.

 

[Patooka]

Vast majority of police shootings are justified. The few that are unjustified usually result in prosecutions.

Well this is complete horseshit as US law enforcement is not obligated to report their killings. So you have no fucking clue. Something that has repeatedly been pointed out.

The #BLM/Antifa rioters

That you think BLM and Antifa are interchangeable shows you don't have a fucking clue. I'm disgusted with the way US cops operate and the example I prefer using is Mark Gugino. No need to inject your favourite hobby horse of the evil darkies required to successfully argue serious police reform is necessary.

When police do something like that, they of course need to be held accountable.

Bullshit. Google the phrase "We write the reports". Coupled by the fact no one got disciplined for the initial statements of George Floyd's murder or the numerous other incidents that have been discussed where your outrage is...should we say misplaced?

#BLM nonsense about "gentle giants" and "he had a book, not a gun" is no less fictional. But there have been a lot more violent left wing riots in recent years than right wing ones.

Why the fuck do you think it is so controversial to hold police to a higher standard than the average citizen? Fuck your repeated attempts of whataboutism, cops should show more restraint than the average citizen, not less. And fuck your repeated attempts to whatabout left wing riots to right wing ones. Windows being smashed is slightly different to trying to kidnap and execute a governor, cause more US deaths than Benjamin Ghazi ever did, gassing a nonviolent crowd for a photo op (an old favourite for the right) or detaining citizens in unmarked vehicles.

Seriously, it's worth repeating; fuck your attempt to equate one with the other. Both exist and one of these is far, far more deadly. I'll give you a hint; it's the side where someone like you and I can blend in if we hold a tiki torch.