You miss the point, which is that a power not specifically delegated in the Constitution is accepted to be given to the judiciary and the reason for that is because it makes sense when inferred from the totality of the law in question (the Constitution). Just as inferring states with federally controlled exchanges would receive subsidies also makes sense.
Furthermore, the U.S. Constitution vests the lawmaking power with one branch only, the legislative branch, and to no other branch of government.
That the veto power exists is all that's necessary to remind you of to demonstrate that as completely false.
And, if I recall correctly, Madison didn't advocate for judicial review in the Federalist Papers, rather this was Hamilton. And, from what I recall, Hamilton devoted one essay to the subject and this essay is not some explicit and unambiguous advocacy for judicial review.
Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, CJ Marshall didn't engage in any investigative "intent" of James Madison in the case of Marbury v. Madison, where CJ Marshall concluded the federal courts have the power of judicial review. Rather, CJ Marshall devoted a lot of ink to examining the plain text of article 3 and making logical inferences derived from the plain text and consistent with the plain text of article 3.
You may be right about Hamilton, but either way, the opinion in
Marbury v. Madison makes no subtle allusion to the text--it's pretty explicit. I don't agree Marshall actually made a serious review of Article III, but if you think he did, he was engaging in exactly what you're chastising the Fourth Circuit for doing today.
Your soup can analogy isn't parallel to the constitution's design of 3 separate branches of government, with each branch vested with specific powers the other branches cannot exercise. This isn't some logical reasoning undergraduate class making use of Venn Diagrams to show logical relations by overlapping sections such that the shaded overlapping areas have some logical connection relationship. The text of the U.S. Constitution created 3 distinct and separate branches of government with each branch having its own powers to exercise to the exclusion of the other branches, and this is how the checks and balances operate.
Heh, the fact that I learned Constitutional Law from one of the most preeminent scholars in the country, three other long-tenured professors, and a sitting Arizona Supreme Court Justice, makes your implication about an undergraduate logic class silly, in addition to being inappropriate on its face.
As discussed above, the branches impinge on each other. By definition they cannot possess entirely distinct powers if they don't check each other. They each have to have a sliver of the others' power or a check is impossible. Executive vetoes Legislative, Cudiciary throws out bad laws enacted by Legislative with Executive's consent, seats in the Judicial branch are appointed by Executive with advice/consent of Legislative. Pretending they're entirely distinct is not compatible with the idea of checks and balances at all.
Edited to add: Oh, and let's not forget Admin law, i.e. the Executive flat out making law itself with the Legislative's permission.
You miss the point, which is that a power not specifically delegated in the Constitution is accepted to be given to the judiciary and the reason for that is because it makes sense when inferred from the totality of the law in question (the Constitution).
You must be thinking of the Zimbabwe constitution, or the Russian constitution, or the constitution of Pakistan because your statement of above sure as hell isn't what the U.S. Constitution says. Any power not delegated in the U.S. Constitution is a power reserved to the states, and not the judiciary.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This is ConLaw 101 man! Even first year law school students know any power not delegated to federal government in the U.S. Constitution is a power reserved to the states, as opposed to a power "given to the judiciary." As a matter of fact, your statement is completely unknown in the legal field. I know of no opinion, federal or state, no law review article, no judicial canon, rule of statutory construction, nothing which the judiciary is this sponge for powers not delegated in the U.S. Constitution. You quite simply do not know what you are talking about.
That the veto power exists is all that's necessary to remind you of to demonstrate that as completely false.
Incorrect. The veto power of tule president does not refute or show as false my statement of, "
Furthermore, the U.S. Constitution vests the lawmaking power with one branch only, the legislative branch, and to no other branch of government. The veto power is not a lawmaking power.
You may be right about Hamilton
I am right about Hamilton.
he opinion in Marbury v. Madison makes no subtle allusion to the text--it's pretty explicit. I don't agree Marshall actually made a serious review of Article III, but if you think he did, he was engaging in exactly what you're chastising the Fourth Circuit for doing today.
Absolute non-sense. The 4th Circuit applied a deferential standard of judicial review under the Chevron test when analyzing the IRS rule in relation to the statute. Justice Marshall didn't know what the hell the Chevron test was in 1801 or the early 1800s as it didn't exist until the 20th century and he sure as hell couldn't have applied it, and didn't apply something he didn't know to exist at the time of Marbury v. Madison. CJ Marshall and the 4th Circuit engaged in two different kinds of analysis.
Furthermore, as I stated previously, any comparison between the decision of Marbury v. Madison and the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision is problematic, precisely and exactly because CJ Marshall devoted a lot of ink to examining the plain text of article 3 and making logical inferences derived from the plain text and consistent with the plain text of article 3. The same cannot be said of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision, or at least it cannot be said with a straight face. The two opinions are not the same.
Heh, the fact that I learned Constitutional Law from one of the most preeminent scholars in the country, three other long-tenured professors, and a sitting Arizona Supreme Court Justice, makes your implication about an undergraduate logic class silly, in addition to being inappropriate on its face.
I couldn't careless for your accolades, I am skeptical of them based on your remarks in this thread but I digress. Your resume isn't impressive to me and it certainly does not demonstrate you are correct. In fact, you've been wrong about many things so far in this thread, such as Madison advocating for judicial review in the Federalist Papers (false), CJ Marshal relying upon Madison's intent for judicial review in the case of Marbury v. Madison (false, CJ Marshall did no such thing in the decision), "a power not specifically delegated in the Constitution is accepted to be given to the judiciary" (false), and so forth. Your educational background sure as hell did not preclude you from making these erroneous remarks.
As discussed above, the branches impinge on each other.
According to you and Venn Diagrams. However, it is more appropriate to analyze what the Constitution says and the U.S. Constitution creates three, separate, and distinct branches of government with their own exclusive powers to exercise. No other branch of government may constitutionally exercise a power given to the other branch.
By definition they cannot possess entirely distinct powers if they don't check each other.
Venn Diagram definition right? Well, the U.S. Constitution says A.) They can possess distinct powers and B.) Possessing the distinct powers is the check on each other.
Yes, Congress' exclusive "power of the purse" is a check on executive authority. Congress' exclusive power to raise and promote armed forces is a check on the executive's power to engage those forces in combat or control them, direct them, etcetera. Congress power to make and pass laws is a check on the executive and judicial branch, as Congress can pass a law overturning a judicial opinion interpreting a federal statute or administrative rule, or overturn an executive order or revoke any executive authority taken under a statute by passing a subsequent law denying the executive this authority to act in some particular manner under the federal law. The judicial branch has the authority to assess the constitutionality of the conduct of the other two branches of government, and this is a check on their power and authority. Congress can check the judicial branch by removing inferior federal courts (i.e. removing all district and federal courts, redraw their boundaries, change the number of judges sitting on the bench, etcetera).
it is because the three branches possess distinct powers that they are able to "check each other."
They each have to have a sliver of the others' power or a check is impossible.
No, they do not, but rather it is the fact they have separate and distinct powers to exercise which operates as the "check".
Executive vetoes Legislative
The presidential veto is not a "sliver of the others' power" and it is not an example of a "sliver of the other's power." The presidential veto is not a lawmaking power, indeed it is not a "sliver of" the legislative power or the powers given to Congress to make and pass laws. So this is not an example of one branch having a "sliver of the others' power."
Pretending they're entirely distinct is not compatible with the idea of checks and balances at all.
To the contrary, you referenced powers distinctly given to a branch of government, as opposed to "shared." It is the fact the powers are distinct and separated among the separate branches of government which permits the idea of checks and balances.