Daniel Penny acquitted in the death of Jordan Neely

[Derec]

This case has been discussed in the "Breakdown of civil order" megathread, starting around here. The thread is huge and covers many different issues, so a dedicated thread might be best.

Today, the criminal case has ended with an acquittal.
Daniel Penny Is Acquitted in Death of Jordan Neely on Subway

That's a setback for Alvin Bragg, the fauxgressive Manhattan DA who decided to aggressively prosecute this case. It's on brand for Bragg to prosecute people who defend themselves or others. He wanted to prosecute bodega worker Jose Alba until he was pressured to drop the charges.
Jordan Neely himself has a history of assaulting people, including a 67 year old woman whose orbital socket he broke. He should have been in prison or a closed psychiatric facility, not freely roaming the subway.

His father, who did not help him in life, is now trying to profit from his son's death.
Jordan Neely’s Father Sues Daniel Penny, Accusing Him of Assault

Lastly, a #BLM of greater New York cofounder, one Walter "Newk" Newsome is saying that blacks should go around choking whites.


Why isn't Bragg prosecuting him for inciting violence with a hate crimes enhancement? I guess some people are just more equal than others ...

 

[pood]

This is just such a typical post for you, I could have written it in advance, posted it on your behalf, and saved you the hassle.

 

[Derec]

This is just such a typical post for you, I could have written it in advance, posted it on your behalf, and saved you the hassle.

A snarky, content-free response is such a typical post for you.

 

[laughing dog]

I wonder if someone can go #BLM free month?

Mr Penny held Mr Neely in a chokehold for ) minutes in while 2 other people helped restrain Mr Neely. Even though Mr Penny said he thought Mr Neely would attack other passengers, I have not seen any reports of any overt threats ir movements on the part of the victim. Given what I’ve seen, charges were warranted.

 

[TV and credit cards]

This is just such a typical post for you, I could have written it in advance, posted it on your behalf, and saved you the hassle.

I was considering a broken record gif.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Don't worry conservatives will find any reason to justify killing a homeless person.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Don't worry conservatives will find any reason to justify killing a homeless person.

This isn't about a homeless person. It's about a mentally ill person with a long history of random violence.

I don't like what happened one bit--but in all the discussion I keep seeing "he shouldn't have done that" but never specifics as to how he should have handled the situation. If people can't find a good resolution with the benefit of hindsight, why should he be expected to have found one?

We have no good answers for people like Neely.

 

[TomC]

This isn't about a homeless person. It's about a mentally ill person with a long history of random violence.

Neely was homeless as well as mentally ill. Because his violent outbursts and bad behavior had alienated everyone, even his closest family. Even the New York homeless shelters wouldn't let him in.

He was a disaster waiting to happen. It's nice to think that the mental health system could have helped him out, but I'm not sure that's true. It's a tragedy, but not Penny's fault.
Tom

 

[TSwizzle]

I thought Penny could have released the chokehold a bit sooner but it wasn't me rolling around the floor with a psychotic lunatic who was threatening passengers.

 

[laughing dog]

Don't worry conservatives will find any reason to justify killing a homeless person.

This isn't about a homeless person. It's about a mentally ill person with a long history of random violence.

I don't like what happened one bit--but in all the discussion I keep seeing "he shouldn't have done that" but never specifics as to how he should have handled the situation. If people can't find a good resolution with the benefit of hindsight, why should he be expected to have found one?

How about not attacking Nr Neely with a deadly chokehold just because he was “scary”?

Anyway, a jury of his peers found him not guilty. They heard and saw all the evidence. I won’t gainsay their judgment.

 

[TomC]

How about not attacking Nr Neely with a deadly chokehold just because he was “scary”?

How about Neely not attacking bystanders? Leaving people like Penny to deal with the problem at the drop of a hat?

Why didn't Neely's family take care of him? Where the fuck were the people who sued Penny afterwards when Neely really needed help?
Yeah, we both know.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

How about not attacking Nr Neely with a deadly chokehold just because he was “scary”?

How about Neely not attacking bystanders? Leaving people like Penny to deal with the problem at the drop of a hat?

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

 

[TomC]

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

On what evidence do you conclude that Mr Penny was familiar with Mr Neely’s history? Or are you simply clairvoyant?

 

[TomC]

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

On what evidence do you conclude that Mr Penny was familiar with Mr Neely’s history? Or are you simply clairvoyant?

I asked a question that you prefer not to answer.

Penny didn't need to know the history of the particular criminal he was dealing with to know what happens when they attack until they are restrained.

Neely did break an old lady's face, is that correct? Neely's family left him out on the streets, is that correct? The local homeless shelters found him too dangerous to let in, is that correct? Neely refused help from the local mental health system, is that correct?

But you think that Penny should have investigated Neely's past? Or do you think clairvoyance should be a requirement for riding the NYC subway?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Was his only ability of restraining the guy a chokehold? If he was incapable of applying it without killing the man, arguably he shouldn't have inserted himself into the situation.

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

Having ridden a number of subways in NYC, I've got to wonder, how many people on the train would have been okay to kill through negligence and using lack of hindsight and the elderly as an excuse. Maybe five expendable people?

 

[TomC]

Was his only ability of restraining the guy a chokehold?

What do you suggest when a violent subway rider starts causing trouble for the peaceful and civil riders? Why didn't the people who know Neely provide enough information for Penny to deal with the problem in a better way?

Have you ever had to deal with a crazy person who poses a threat to the folks around you, without knowing anything about the threat?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

On what evidence do you conclude that Mr Penny was familiar with Mr Neely’s history? Or are you simply clairvoyant?

I asked a question that you prefer not to answer.

Because it is a pointless stupid question. Mr. Neely was not attacking anyone. Mr. Penny had no idea about Mr. Neely's history, so there would be no reason for him to think about preventing the breaking of an old lady's face. In my view, your question is pointless.

I have had to deal with crazy people, who did pose a threat to the people around me. including in a subway. Curiously, no one in any of the incidents was killed. And I am not a large ex-marine.

Mr. Penny made a poor choice. The jury did not think it was a criminal one.

 

[ZiprHead]

Neely wasn’t attacking anyone. Penny thought Neely might attack someone.

Do you think things would have turned out better if Penny had waited until Neely had broken an old lady's face?
Again?
Tom

But he didn't break an old lady's face. And for that he is dead.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

"We just can't have civil discussions with liberals! Anyway, this guy deserved to die."