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Darrell Issa: Privatize Airport Security

I can't recall a time when I felt Chinese security was slow. My only gripe with them is from the very superficial way they handled the day my wife set off their nuke alarms.

In recent year's its changed. In 1991 there was virtually no security; no scans, no luggage checks; just passport checks.
It was a bit slow as they modernized about 2 years after 9/11. About 10 years ago it was very efficient. I traveled there recently after a gap of 6 years and found it was still very efficient.

We were there (Shanghai, not Beijing) in late 2014--still good.

Nothing like the time in LA where I felt like they were disappointed that we had plenty of time for the stupid extra screening they were doing. What's the point in the pat-down my wife got because there was something in her bag that triggered on their stupid "bomb" sniffer? Either there's something naughty there or there isn't. Once you've pulled everything out and found it doesn't react can't you see the problem was your own equipment??

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Why is it the people who don't like government services to begin with by some miracle have the worst time at airports?

Strange coincidence.

That isn't the case. But it's the circle of experiences followed by confirming bias. A lot of people have had horrible experiences with the TSA, worse than the the long wait times.

Or is it those of us who have "had problems" with it are people less willing to accept anything in the name of "government" as being automatically right?
 
In recent year's its changed. In 1991 there was virtually no security; no scans, no luggage checks; just passport checks.
It was a bit slow as they modernized about 2 years after 9/11. About 10 years ago it was very efficient. I traveled there recently after a gap of 6 years and found it was still very efficient.

We were there (Shanghai, not Beijing) in late 2014--still good.

Nothing like the time in LA where I felt like they were disappointed that we had plenty of time for the stupid extra screening they were doing. What's the point in the pat-down my wife got because there was something in her bag that triggered on their stupid "bomb" sniffer? Either there's something naughty there or there isn't. Once you've pulled everything out and found it doesn't react can't you see the problem was your own equipment??
Yeah, best not to be safer than sorry.

Why is it the people who don't like government services to begin with by some miracle have the worst time at airports?

Strange coincidence.

That isn't the case. But it's the circle of experiences followed by confirming bias. A lot of people have had horrible experiences with the TSA, worse than the the long wait times.

Or is it those of us who have "had problems" with it are people less willing to accept anything in the name of "government" as being automatically right?
Or hypercritical. There appear to be frequent travelers that have said they haven't had trouble. You seem to only want to allow your wife's experiences as evidence for discussion.
 
But they know about when people will show up--people don't show up unless they have a ticket. TSA does know how many people are on the flight manifests and therefore has a pretty darn good estimate of the number of people that will show up.

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It will get Congress to allocate more money so they have more workers and thus each worker can do less.

We are basically seeing a work slowdown from the TSA. Go to the airport some time and see how many agents aren't actually doing anything useful.
More workers to do less? How can they do less? It is an assembly line production.


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Ever notice how many aren't actually doing anything?
No. They don't have a badge on saying "I'm not doing anything." Also, only being in line for much less than 20 minutes really doesn't qualify me to judge whether a person is "not doing anything".

Makes me think of work sites where you see so many people, "not doing anything", yet the people there may very well be fulfilling a specific purpose: field worker, inspector, engineer observer, etc...

So, what qualifies you to judge whether a person has no purpose other than to drag on an underfunded TSA budget?

I could accept one inspector (although I don't think it's a good idea--if there are inspectors they should be using cameras instead so the people being inspected don't know whether they are currently being looked at or not) but I've seen groups standing around.

Contrast that with the Chinese security I have mentioned--I can't recall seeing anyone standing there doing nothing at security. I have seen one at immigration--but since it's consistently one and they seem to have some sort of station I think it's a case of not knowing what their job is.
 
As someone who travels a lot, I can tell you that the ones I see doing the least are the people in the lines. Even with a TSA agent whose sole purpose is to prep them for what they need to do, it seems a full half of people in these lines don't realize they need to pull their laptop, remove their shoes, and do all of that other stuff until it's their turn to go through the scanner.

Two things would certainly help here: one would be longer tables in the run-up to the scanner, so that people can bin their items earlier, and the other is beatings.

I certainly agree about the tables. About the only misbehavior I see much of at the checkpoint is stuff (usually paper) left in a pocket at the nudeoscope, though. On the other hand, I've been barked at by one of their barkers over not taking my laptop out--when they should have realized I have a checkpoint-friendly backpack and I merely open the zipper, there's no need to remove it.

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If they have someone standing around because there's no line at the checkpoint I'm not going object.

While the time ahead people show up will cause some variation it's going to be a pretty small factor compared to the numbers from looking at the manifests. They won't be spot on but it will average out. They can't get it perfect on the time it will take to screen people, either, but it will average out.

You're assuming a fictional world where TSA can magically vary its number of employees on a minute by minute basis depending on need. They work in 8 hour shifts, and your not going to get many competent people if you force them to alter their work hours on a daily basis, so that means roughly stable shifts. When there are multiple up and down surges over and 8 hour period, it isn't plausible to have all the workers you need for each up surge without having twice what you need for most of the down periods, even if you try to stagger the start and end of shifts and breaks. There are only two options: 1) increase costs and waste by erring on the side of being able to cover all the surges, or 2) increase wait times by erring on the side of reducing costs and waste during the slow times.

The TSA has been choosing #2, most likely because of pressures from "small government" conservatives and the airlines to keep costs low. But a merely forceful will of the public could make that change in favor of option #1. Given that a private contractor would not realistically have any competition, why would the choose to lower profits under option #1. They wouldn't, and the contractors at European airports don't because European government tightly controls everything these contactors do (aka, no "free' market).

BTW, here is an article published in 2001, just after 9/11 and just after congress voted to put TSA in control. It notes how private companies in the US used very poorly trained minimum wage ($6 per hour) workers as screeeners, almost all who quit within a year or two, compared to Europe where screeners got middle class salaries, 4 times the required training hours and far less job turnover? At Boston Logan (where 2 of the highjacked planes came from), they experienced full staff turnover every 6 months in the years leading up to 9/11.
The biggest difference is that in the US, the private companies contracted with the airlines themselves (aka "free-market"), whereas in Europe they had to contract with the government who had strict control and oversight over what they did, who they hired, what they got paid, etc..

The TSA seems to be staging a work slowdown. It's not merely a matter of not coping with the surges.
 
Except that can be only done in one spot really. It's not convenient or easy to take off all the stuff you need to before you get to the one choke spot.

Yup. Unless you're traveling real light you can't prep for the checkpoint (beyond untying shoes) until you reach the tables. In the era of the metal detector this process was the limiting factor. The nudeoscopes are slower, though, and as likely to be the bottleneck as the tables are.
 
I recall they did briefly try an "experienced traveler" line and a "family friendly" line set up in some airports. The problem with it was the clueless and meandering travelers don't know to stay out of the experienced traveler line.

It should have been done with an opt-in based on passing a test on the rules--and you're kicked out if your behavior at the checkpoint shows you don't know the rules.

Now we have TSA pre-check, which is the greatest security line innovation in modern aviation history. It essentially undoes everything the TSA has done (no shoes off, no belt off, no liquids out, no jacket off, no scanner) and weeds out the all the inexperienced travelers to boot. Sure, the some of the clueless still cluelessly meander into the TSA pre-check line, but they are caught before the screening and made to perform a walk of shame back to the normal line.

Except they charge a decent amount for it for a few years--a bad deal for those of us who aren't frequent fliers. And it only works when there is a pre-check line--there isn't always.

Of course, if the terrorists ever figure out how to sign up for TSA pre-check they will be able to get all the shoes and belts and liquids on a plane they can carry.

I think there's a background check.
 
We were there (Shanghai, not Beijing) in late 2014--still good.

Nothing like the time in LA where I felt like they were disappointed that we had plenty of time for the stupid extra screening they were doing. What's the point in the pat-down my wife got because there was something in her bag that triggered on their stupid "bomb" sniffer? Either there's something naughty there or there isn't. Once you've pulled everything out and found it doesn't react can't you see the problem was your own equipment??
Yeah, best not to be safer than sorry.

If nothing in the bag reacts it's clearly a negative--the problem was a contaminated test patch. (All too common--so long as the patch tests negative they get reused.)

Or hypercritical. There appear to be frequent travelers that have said they haven't had trouble. You seem to only want to allow your wife's experiences as evidence for discussion.

No, I simply used her experience as an example of bad customer service. They shouldn't have been disappointed that they were in no position to pull the do-you-want-to-fly-today bit.

As for the general experience--I'm listening to a board with a lot of very frequent fliers. They're far more able to judge what's going on.
 
Pre-check is not just a pay to play system. It requires providing detailed personal info, fingerprints, FBI background check and a face to fact meeting. This must be redone every 5 years.

And as everyone knows, if there's one thing someone trying to learn how to fly a plane so he can immolate himself flying into a building for a cause hates it's paying $80 bucks and giving fingerprints. The personal sacrifice and obstacles in his path are just too high so he gives up. I don't think the 5 year renewal is much of a deterrent for someone who plans to be dead, though.

It's not about the terrorists will, but about whether they can pass an FBI background check, including a face to face interview. If they find anything suspicious, they don't grant you pre-check status. Sure, some could pass, but contrary to your claim, it isn't as easy as just "signing up".
 
Saw Bruce Hornsby last night. This was a cracker of a song from the new album coming out in June (sadly you can't play it yet).

TSA Man
Yeah, best not to be safer than sorry.

If nothing in the bag reacts it's clearly a negative--the problem was a contaminated test patch. (All too common--so long as the patch tests negative they get reused.)

Or hypercritical. There appear to be frequent travelers that have said they haven't had trouble. You seem to only want to allow your wife's experiences as evidence for discussion.

No, I simply used her experience as an example of bad customer service.
Bad service?
They shouldn't have been disappointed that they were in no position to pull the do-you-want-to-fly-today bit.
For a person that gives so much deference to the Police, your distaste and presumptions of TSA staff seems unexpected.

As for the general experience--I'm listening to a board with a lot of very frequent fliers. They're far more able to judge what's going on.
And they are saying, 'not so bad'.
 
And as everyone knows, if there's one thing someone trying to learn how to fly a plane so he can immolate himself flying into a building for a cause hates it's paying $80 bucks and giving fingerprints. The personal sacrifice and obstacles in his path are just too high so he gives up. I don't think the 5 year renewal is much of a deterrent for someone who plans to be dead, though.

It's not about the terrorists will, but about whether they can pass an FBI background check, including a face to face interview. If they find anything suspicious, they don't grant you pre-check status. Sure, some could pass, but contrary to your claim, it isn't as easy as just "signing up".

LOL, I love the way you don't allow your ignorance to stop you from stating things with powerful certainty. I have TSA pre-check. There is no FBI interview. You fill out a form. You go to the airport. Some TSA clerical type conducts an interview which in my case consisted entirely of re-asking the questions that were on the form.

To add to the absurdity of this, I just read an article that said one of the reasons for the recent surge in wait times is they recently abandoned the practice of randomly granting people who had not applied for TSA pre-check access to the TSA pre-check line. Apparently this was a way they were keeping the regular lines shorter. But I guess it occurred to someone that sending unchecked people through the pre-check line sort of defeated the rationale of the pre-check line.
 
To add to the absurdity of this, I just read an article that said one of the reasons for the recent surge in wait times is they recently abandoned the practice of randomly granting people who had not applied for TSA pre-check access to the TSA pre-check line. Apparently this was a way they were keeping the regular lines shorter. But I guess it occurred to someone that sending unchecked people through the pre-check line sort of defeated the rationale of the pre-check line.

Yeah, my wife used to get pre-check more often than not. Since I never got it it made no difference as we would go through the checkpoint together. (One person goes through, once they're through the other puts the bags on the belt and doesn't go through until the bags are through--it means we always have eyeballs on our stuff which makes it harder for a thief.)
 
In recent year's its changed. In 1991 there was virtually no security; no scans, no luggage checks; just passport checks.
It was a bit slow as they modernized about 2 years after 9/11. About 10 years ago it was very efficient. I traveled there recently after a gap of 6 years and found it was still very efficient.

We were there (Shanghai, not Beijing) in late 2014--still good.

Nothing like the time in LA where I felt like they were disappointed that we had plenty of time for the stupid extra screening they were doing. What's the point in the pat-down my wife got because there was something in her bag that triggered on their stupid "bomb" sniffer? Either there's something naughty there or there isn't. Once you've pulled everything out and found it doesn't react can't you see the problem was your own equipment??

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Why is it the people who don't like government services to begin with by some miracle have the worst time at airports?

Strange coincidence.

That isn't the case. But it's the circle of experiences followed by confirming bias. A lot of people have had horrible experiences with the TSA, worse than the the long wait times.

Or is it those of us who have "had problems" with it are people less willing to accept anything in the name of "government" as being automatically right?

I was lucky enough to travel in Shanghai (2008/9) during off peak periods. I travelled on company business class that time so the checking in and baggage checks were done on a priority. However some colleagues who travelled on economy were satisfied (compared to other airports) on the general efficiency of the departure process.
 
Saw Bruce Hornsby last night. This was a cracker of a song from the new album coming out in June (sadly you can't play it yet).

TSA Man
If nothing in the bag reacts it's clearly a negative--the problem was a contaminated test patch. (All too common--so long as the patch tests negative they get reused.)

Or hypercritical. There appear to be frequent travelers that have said they haven't had trouble. You seem to only want to allow your wife's experiences as evidence for discussion.

No, I simply used her experience as an example of bad customer service.
Bad service?
They shouldn't have been disappointed that they were in no position to pull the do-you-want-to-fly-today bit.
For a person that gives so much deference to the Police, your distaste and presumptions of TSA staff seems unexpected.

As for the general experience--I'm listening to a board with a lot of very frequent fliers. They're far more able to judge what's going on.
And they are saying, 'not so bad'.
Probably becausr this one has directly impacted him but police brutality only affects brown people mostly.
 
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