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Dear White America, which form of protest do you actually prefer?

Personally, my preferred method of protest is reasoned debate.

However, Colin Kaepernick certainly has the right to choose his form of protest and the NFL clubs have the right to worry about their bottom line so not hire Kaepernick because his protest upsets many of their customers.
Kaepernick is likely not in starting QB shape right now, which is most likely why some teams are holding off, not the pansy-assed conservative racist motherfuckers who'd drop a load in their pants if their team signed him up.
 
Personally, my preferred method of protest is reasoned debate.

However, Colin Kaepernick certainly has the right to choose his form of protest and the NFL clubs have the right to worry about their bottom line so not hire Kaepernick because his protest upsets many of their customers.
Kaepernick is likely not in starting QB shape right now, which is most likely why some teams are holding off, not the pansy-assed conservative racist motherfuckers who'd drop a load in their pants if their team signed him up.

Yeah so much is explained by NFL owners catering to racists. Well, not things like 70% of the NFL players being black or 30+ guys who did anthem protests being on NFL rosters. But there's no other explanation for a shitting throwing losing quarterback to not have a job. Also lets not forget when they have a true glamour job like kicker or punter they almost always choose a white guy so the racist fans have someone to idolize.
 
Personally, my preferred method of protest is reasoned debate.
Reasoned debate isn't a form of protest. In fact, the LACK of reasoned debate -- or any serious dialog at all, for that matter -- is the whole reason why protesting is a thing.
The supposed purpose of a protest is to change minds. Debate has a much better chance of accomplishing this than a bunch of people walking down the street shouting slogans, or burning cars, or busting windows, or physically attacking others, etc., etc.

Of course, the best form of protest is at the ballot box. But it is individuals debating (not the political shows they call debates) that sway minds and sway how people vote at the ballot box.
 
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Reasoned debate isn't a form of protest. In fact, the LACK of reasoned debate -- or any serious dialog at all, for that matter -- is the whole reason why protesting is a thing.
The supposed purpose of a protest is to change minds.
The purpose of protest is to change BEHAVIOR. Reasoned debate is, in theory, a more effective path to doing this because you can convince a person to change their behavior by convincing them that their behavior is harmful. Protest is a different tool, as it is a form of disruptive behavior that directly and explicitly punishes those who either actively engage in undesired behaviors or who indirectly allow and sanction those behaviors. The theory of protest is that society judges that the policy or behavior in question is not important enough to suffer continued disruption by protestors and the policy is changed -- or the behavior discouraged by some administrative gesture -- so as to placate the protestors and mitigate the disruption caused. This is why many governments and organizations plagued by protests and strikes often have a "wait and see" approach to see if the protests really have stamina. A protest movement is only as effective as its members can sustain their collective outrage, but if there's signs that the whole mess will blow over without them having to change anything, the leadership will just wait it out.

Debate has a much better chance of accomplishing this than a bunch of people walking down the street shouting slogans, or burning cars, or busting windows, or physically attacking others, etc., etc.
Physically attacking others isn't meant to change minds either. Louis XIV wrote "The Last Argument of Kings" on the side of his cannons as a deadpan joke about the failure of reason to secure certain changes in behavior and that, ultimately, disputes between kings could only be settled on the battlefield. It wasn't that he actually believed that blasting someone to pieces with cannon fire would change anyone's mind... on the other hand, people who have been blasted to pieces by cannon fire seldom produce valid counter-arguments.

"Dead men have no rebuttals."

Of course, the best form of protest is at the ballot box.
Respectfully disagree: the best and most effective form of protest is armed rebellion coupled with strategic dominance and overwhelming firepower. Because armed rebellions tend to cause massive damage and collateral damage whether they succeed or not, democracy was invented as a mechanism that would allow people to divest power from a non-responsive government WITHOUT having to violently overthrow it. Where that mechanism fails to function properly, or where a certain segment of the population is unable to use the normal means of democratic process to bring about change in their government, more subversive means -- including but not limited to protest, boycotts and other forms of civil disobedience -- become necessary. When civil disobedience is insufficient, then uncivil disobedience -- in the form of violence and insurrection -- are the next logical step.

it is individuals debating (not the political shows they call debates) that sway minds and sway how people vote at the ballot box.

Actually, evidence suggests that individuals debating doesn't sway people's opinions the majority of the time. Opinions seem to be based more on the sum of a person's experiences and the interplay of those experiences with their cultural preferences and prejudices. It is very uncommon for people to change their voting habits and political leanings purely because of discussions or debates; quite the contrary, especially for conservatives, debates tend to push people to entrench themselves even more strongly in their preconceived beliefs and become even more skeptical -- sometimes to the point of hostility -- to counter-arguments.
 
Reasoned debate isn't a form of protest. In fact, the LACK of reasoned debate -- or any serious dialog at all, for that matter -- is the whole reason why protesting is a thing.
The supposed purpose of a protest is to change minds. Debate has a much better chance of accomplishing this than a bunch of people walking down the street shouting slogans, or burning cars, or busting windows, or physically attacking others, etc., etc.

Of course, the best form of protest is at the ballot box. But it is individuals debating (not the political shows they call debates) that sway minds and sway how people vote at the ballot box.

Crazy Eddie is right. There are quite a few rational issues people don't argue because of custom or cultural whatever...it's been this way throughout history, for example, look at the woman's suffrage movement. You can't argue it at the ballot box sometimes. So bringing attention to it as an issue makes sense. Now, antifa isn't the same thing, but that's not the subject or relevant.
 
Kaepernick is likely not in starting QB shape right now, which is most likely why some teams are holding off, not the pansy-assed conservative racist motherfuckers who'd drop a load in their pants if their team signed him up.

Yeah so much is explained by NFL owners catering to racists. Well, not things like 70% of the NFL players being black or 30+ guys who did anthem protests being on NFL rosters. But there's no other explanation for a shitting throwing losing quarterback to not have a job. Also lets not forget when they have a true glamour job like kicker or punter they almost always choose a white guy so the racist fans have someone to idolize.

What's a "shitting throwing losing quarterback?" Do you mean shitty? You take this way too personally. If he's not playing only because he's so shitty, why are there worse players who are getting jobs? There are not 64 better quarterbacks than Kaepernick.

If he was a top tier qb, he would probably have a job, but since he's not, it's easier for teams to overlook him for other reasons. There could be real on the field issues of like how he fits into a team's offense, but wariness over his political stand could also be the issue for some teams. It's weird that you have such a religious certainty that it can't be for an off the field issue.

If you take Ray Lewis's word for anything, then for the Ravens it was because of something the gf said.

Ray Lewis: Colin Kaepernick’s girlfriend kept him from getting signed by Ravens – ProFootballTalk
 
Personally, my preferred method of protest is reasoned debate.
Reasoned debate isn't a form of protest. In fact, the LACK of reasoned debate -- or any serious dialog at all, for that matter -- is the whole reason why protesting is a thing.

Oh I don't think that's necessarily the case. I've seen a lot of protests where the protesters were invited to reasonable debate and declined. Sometimes people want to put on a show. In fact, I think that is quite often the case. Walk up to many protesters and try to ask them questions and engage them in dialog and they often just have slogans to shout at you and may not even have really thought things through very well.
 
Reasoned debate isn't a form of protest. In fact, the LACK of reasoned debate -- or any serious dialog at all, for that matter -- is the whole reason why protesting is a thing.

Oh I don't think that's necessarily the case. I've seen a lot of protests where the protesters were invited to reasonable debate and declined. Sometimes people want to put on a show. In fact, I think that is quite often the case. Walk up to many protesters and try to ask them questions and engage them in dialog and they often just have slogans to shout at you and may not even have really thought things through very well.

I don't think the ability of a particular protester to engage in what you'd call reasoned debate is indicative of the reasonableness of their protest. I've seen in protests where some participants were extremely articulate while others found it difficult to organize their thoughts into a manageable set of talking points.

There's nothing wrong with preferring reasoned debate to protests. I prefer it too. But protests arise when dialog isn't possible or debate isn't productive. It's communication by other means. And if protesting doesn't work, then the choice is to either give up or riot.
 
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Yeah so much is explained by NFL owners catering to racists. Well, not things like 70% of the NFL players being black or 30+ guys who did anthem protests being on NFL rosters. But there's no other explanation for a shitting throwing losing quarterback to not have a job. Also lets not forget when they have a true glamour job like kicker or punter they almost always choose a white guy so the racist fans have someone to idolize.

What's a "shitting throwing losing quarterback?" Do you mean shitty? You take this way too personally. If he's not playing only because he's so shitty, why are there worse players who are getting jobs? There are not 64 better quarterbacks than Kaepernick.

If he was a top tier qb, he would probably have a job, but since he's not, it's easier for teams to overlook him for other reasons. There could be real on the field issues of like how he fits into a team's offense, but wariness over his political stand could also be the issue for some teams. It's weird that you have such a religious certainty that it can't be for an off the field issue.

If you take Ray Lewis's word for anything, then for the Ravens it was because of something the gf said.

Ray Lewis: Colin Kaepernick’s girlfriend kept him from getting signed by Ravens – ProFootballTalk

So your point here is that NFL owners have not blackballed Kaepernick but he's finding a way to keep them from signing him on a case by case basis?
 
My point has been he is good enough to be playing right now.
 
My point has been he is good enough to be playing right now.
He probably is but the NFL teams have the right not to hire someone who they deem to be disruptive and instead hire someone else.

I know that I wouldn't hire someone who I saw as bringing heated political arguments into the workplace, no matter what brand of politics they supported.
 
My point has been he is good enough to be playing right now.
He probably is but the NFL teams have the right not to hire someone who they deem to be disruptive and instead hire someone else.

I know that I wouldn't hire someone who I saw as bringing heated political arguments into the workplace, no matter what brand of politics they supported.

Sure they have the right, and it could be out of good motivations or falsely premised motivations. However, dismal disagrees that that could be the case with Kaepernick.
 
He probably is but the NFL teams have the right not to hire someone who they deem to be disruptive and instead hire someone else.

I know that I wouldn't hire someone who I saw as bringing heated political arguments into the workplace, no matter what brand of politics they supported.

Sure they have the right, and it could be out of good motivations or falsely premised motivations. However, dismal disagrees that that could be the case with Kaepernick.

No, the point is he's marginal at best. Marginal player + disruptive pain = no job.

No massive conspiracy to black ball him required.
 
Just point out that a lot of people don't like to mix their sports and politics. Don't preach to me; just play ball. That's why you get paid the millions.

Money doesn't solve racism, though. Just ask LeBron.

His protest was peaceful and didn't really disrupt things at all. If no one had taken a picture of it, would it have even gotten this big?
 
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