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Scientific inquiry in terms of understanding the natural world produces practical benefit, medicine, technology, astronomy, physics......which is ...
... your philosophy to justify scientific inquiry in the first place.

I agree with your philosophy. I just fail to comprehend your aversion to calling it what it is - Philosophy.

Just pointing to a distinction. Science and philosophy. For instance, the ancient Greeks were strong on philosophy but lacked the rigour of systematic inquiry and testing that is science, so they made technological progress to a point, the Antikythera mechanism for example, but nothing like we have experienced in modern times with the progress of science.
 
The problem became speculative philosophy and metaphysical abstractions became inadequate to explain natural phenomena.

Qualia versus quantifiable mensurable properties of natural phenomena.

As this is religion, religion is speculative philosophy with a deity as part of the speculative theory.

Science versus region becomes the same kind of debate as science versus philosophy.
 
The etymology of "philosophy" suggests "love of wisdom" as a plausible definition. (Never mind why we're defining philosophy in a thread about the definition of "[gG]od.")

The issue at hand, and which should be in the Philosophy of Science thread, is the apparent allegation that philosophy is worthless. If it were, you’d be dead. You do philosophy all the waking time even if you don’t know it.

Help stamp out ambiguous pronouns! Who is "You"? Some of us admire wisdom without actually loving it. And we need not look far to find hominids who relish -- absolutely wallow in -- stupidity and ignorance.
 
As an ateist I do not belve in anjy gods.

It is up to the believer to define what god is and means.

From what I rad in mythology Yahweh is categorized as a storm god. It can call up floods and earthquakes. Noah's flood.



mythology associated with weather phenomena such as thunder, snow, lightning, rain, wind, storms, tornadoes, and hurricanes. Should they only be in charge of one feature of a storm, they will be called after that attribute, such as a rain god or a lightning/thunder god. This singular attribute might then be emphasized more than the generic, all-encompassing term "storm god", though with thunder/lightning gods, the two terms seem interchangeable. They feature commonly in polytheistic religions, especially in Proto-Indo-European ones.
 
Jewishh deities not so simple.


Yahwism, also known as the Israelite religion, was the ancient Semitic religion of ancient Israel and Judah and the ethnic religion of the Israelites.[5] The Israelite religion was a derivative of the Canaanite religion and a polytheistic religion that had a pantheon with various gods and goddesses.[6] The primary deity of the religion and the head of the pantheon was Yahweh, the national god of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel.[7] The majority of scholars hold that the goddess Asherah was the consort of Yahweh,[7] though some scholars disagree.[8] Following this divine duo were second-tier gods and goddesses, such as Baal, Shamash, Yarikh, Mot, and Astarte, with each having priests and prophets, and numbering royalty among their devotees.[9][10]

Records and developments
A bronze bull statuette discovered at the 12th-century BCE "Bull Site" in Samaria

The central element of ancient Israel's religion through most of the monarchic period was the worship of a god named Yahweh, and for this reason the religion of Israel is often referred to as Yahwism.[5] Yahweh, however, was not the "original" god of Israel. Rather it was El, the head of the Canaanite pantheon whose name forms the basis of the name "Israel" (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל),[19] and none of the Hebrew patriarchs, tribes of Israel, Judges, or early monarchs have a Yahwistic theophoric name (i.e., a name incorporating the name of Yahweh).[20] It is unclear how, where, or why Yahweh appeared in the Levant; even his name is a point of confusion.[21] The exact date of his first appearance is also ambiguous: the term Israel first enters historical records in the 13th century BCE with the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, and, while the worship of Yahweh is circumstantially attested to as early as the 12th century BCE,[22] there is no attestation of even the name "Yahweh" in the Levant until some four hundred years later with the Mesha Stele (9th century BCE).[23][a] Because of this, Christian Frevel argues that Yahweh worship was rooted in the Kingdom of Israel and preserved by the Omride clan.[25] Nevertheless, many scholars believe that the shared worship of Yahweh played a role in the emergence of Israel in the Late Bronze Age (circa 1200 BCE).[26]

During an era of religious syncretism, it became accepted among the Israelite people to consider the Canaanite god El as the same as Yahweh.[29] El was soon thought to have always been the same deity as Yahweh, as evidenced by Exodus 6:2–3.[29] Additionally, onomastic evidence indicates that some ancient Israelite families in the pre-exilic period seem to have syncretized the other Canaanite deities with Yahweh, a phenomenon which some scholars have described as "an inclusive sort of monolatry".[30] According to Theodore J. Lewis, different Israelite locales held different beliefs about El but viewed him as a "regional god" that was not entwined with the monarchic nation-state. Because of this, small-scale sacred places were built instead of temples.[31]
Pantheon
The Holy of Holies in a ruined temple at Tel Arad, with two incense pillars and two stele, one to Yahweh, and one most likely to Asherah. The temple was probably destroyed as a part of Josiah's reforms.

There is a broad consensus among modern scholars that the religion of ancient Israel was polytheistic, involving many gods and goddesses.[36] Israel's supreme god was first El[19] by dint of it being the original one, which was proceeded by Yahweh, whose name appears as an element on personal seals from the late 9th to the 6th centuries BCE.[37] Alongside El,[38] then Yahweh, was their consort Asherah[39] (replaced by the goddess "Anat-Yahu" in the temple of the 5th century Jewish settlement Elephantine in Egypt),[40] and various biblical passages indicate that statues of the goddess were kept in Yahweh's temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[41][42]
 
^This article is a horribly tendentious and distorted view. It reflects the ignorance and bigotry of the scholastic community. It is well-known that Yahweh designates the essence of Being itself. I will provide just one quotation:

Let us call our religion YAHVISM. It is no new-fangled name, it is simply the name by which our faith was called and cherished by our forefathers, who designated it as YIRATH YAHVE, the religion of Yahve. It is the fittest of all possible names for our religion. It is the expression of our cardinal beliefs and the profoundest ideas of our faith. Under this name we adore God as Eternal and Infinite Existence, as the source of all being.--Yahvism: And Other Discourses / Adolph Moses, p. 9-10

It is true that this view is rejected by many Jewish authorities. However, I take my stand with it.
 
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The point is Yahweh was one god in the history of ancient Jews. Their theology evolved.

Ancient Jews were synthetic absorbing influences.

Drop the bigotry hyperbole and polemics.

Are you Jewish by birth (matriarchal line), formal conversion, or are you self proclaimed as a Jew.
 
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The point is Yahweh was one god in the history of ancient Jews. Their theology evolved.

Ancient Jews were synthetic absorbing influences.

Drop the bigotry hyperbole and polemics.

The original understanding was pure and correct. It gradually became obscured under the pressure of popular superstition, foreign influence and priestly/scholastic obscurantism.

Are you Jewish by birth (matriarchal line), formal conversion, or are you self proclaimed as a Jew.

I am self-proclaimed, although I suspect a genetic connection due to the deep affinity that I feel for it.
 
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The point is Yahweh was one god in the history of ancient Jews. Their theology evolved.

Ancient Jews were synthetic absorbing influences.

Drop the bigotry hyperbole and polemics.

The original understanding was pure and correct. It gradually became obscured under the pressure of popular superstition, foreign influence and priestly/scholastic obscurantism.

Are you Jewish by birth (matriarchal line), formal conversion, or are you self proclaimed as a Jew.

I am self-proclaimed, although I suspect a genetic connection due to the deep affinity that I feel for it.

In North America Black, Jewish, Native American, Mexican, and Asian blood is mixed in the population.

A genetic testing service can give you your genetic history. That you may have Jewish markers would not be surprising.

I'd like to see all the white supremacists have their genetic history checked.

There does not appear to ever been monolithic Jewish theology up through the time of Jesus.

Lie Christians today there does not appear to be on specific theology. As with Christians Jews go from liberal to orthodox conservative.

As a Jew explained to me any Jew is free to interpret scripture, but is bound by the interpretation.

In Islam any cleric can write a fatwa, a position paper, but it is not binding. A Jewish rabbi can pugblish a paper or book.

Post exile Jews have a history of rabbi-philosophers.

Moses Maimonides A Guide For The Perplexed. I read it. He was known in his day for reconciling with Greek philosophy and building interfaith bridges.




I doubt there was any 'pure' Judaism then and now. No more than there is or was a pure Christianity that traces back to a Jewish rabbi 2000 years ago.

On a religion show a rabbi was asked whether god existed ot not. He said it does nt matter.

Any god isp art of a cultural ritual, a focal pint for a community. Existece is irrelvant to the function a god fulfills.

Soical unity and order.
 
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