Define God

[southernhybrid]

Somebody doesn't know shit about the other animals we share the planet with, that's for sure..

According to many studies, even some spiders can reason.

https://www.inverse.com/science/spiders-are-smart

Humans and many of the other animals we’ve come to think of as unusually bright, such as chimpanzees and dolphins, all have large brains. And it’s long been assumed that the smallest brains simply don’t have the capacity to support complex mental processes. But what if they do?

The vast majority of Earth’s animal species are rather small, and a vanishingly small portion of them have been studied at all, much less by cognition researchers.

But the profile of one group of diminutive animals is rapidly rising as scientists discover surprisingly sophisticated behaviors among them.

“There is this general idea that probably spiders are too small, that you need some kind of a critical mass of brain tissue to be able to perform complex behaviors,” says arachnologist and evolutionary biologist Dimitar Dimitrov of the University Museum of Bergen in Norway. “But I think spiders are one case where this general idea is challenged. Some small things are actually capable of doing very complex stuff.”

Behaviors that can be described as “cognitive,” as opposed to automatic responses, could be fairly common among spiders, says Dimitrov, coauthor of a study on spider diversity published in the 2021 Annual Review of Entomology.

From orb weavers that adjust the way they build their webs based on the type of prey they are catching to ghost spiders that can learn to associate a reward with the smell of vanilla, there’s more going on in spider brains than they commonly get credit for.

“It’s not so much the size of the brain that matters, but what the animal can do with what it’s got,” says arachnologist Fiona Cross of the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand.

Cross studies the behavior of jumping spiders, the undisputed champs of cognition among spiders. Although these tiny arachnids have brains that could literally fit on the head of a pin, the work of Cross and other scientists suggests that they have capabilities we’d have no problem hailing as signs of intelligence if exhibited by animals with much larger brains, like dogs or human toddlers.


“Jumping spiders are remarkably clever animals,” says visual ecologist Nathan Morehouse, who studies the spiders at the University of Cincinnati. “I always find it delightful when something like a humble jumping spider punctures our sense of biological superiority.”

For anyone who is so egocentric to believe that only humans are capable of reasoning, I suggest a few books.

1. Are we Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are by Frans de Waal

2. Doctor Dogs How Our Best Friends Are Becoming Our Best Medicine by Maria Goodavage

I can suggest more, but those two are a good start.

Of course there is also the well known book....The 3rd Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond. I just don't like to limit it to the other apes, as there are so many other animals capable of reasoning. the Bible is an old book of mythology. While there are some nice things in the NT, which are likely human universals, it's no different from other sources of mythology. There isn't truth to be found there. There may be some interesting fairly tales and poetry in most religious books, but that is not where one learns about the truth.

Btw, do you really think that humans could weave complicated webs, knowing how to trap their prey and then if necessary, wrap them up to save to eat for another day? I think it takes an element of reasoning to do that. Plus, there is new evidence that some animals do have the own language. For example whales and dolphins do. We just don't understand their language. Dogs understand a lot of our language, but we're not always that good at understanding what they are trying to tell us in their non verbal way. Maybe we aren't smart enough to know how smart animals are.

 

[steve_bank]

Growth of irrationalism?

If anything modern science has replaced a lot of superstitious and quack philosophy. We don't drill jhoes in skulls to et ot the evil spirits.

Modern science and associated asceticism has only been around for about 100 years.

Irrational is just a definition.

Religion and politics and culture are not scientifically 'rational' because us humans are wired as we are.

Science is a limited narrow area of human reasoning.

When I was startirng out someone told me 'You can't apply engineering logic to people', I fuound he was right.

 

[pood]

The evidence is quite plain even just with reference to yourself and your absolutizing of irrationalism, chaos, randomness and entropy.

Evidence?

 

[No Robots]

Somebody doesn't know shit about the other animals we share the planet with, that's for sure..

According to many studies, even some spiders can reason.

Animals have judgement and intuition. Only man has reason, which is the ability to perceive the relationships between ideas.

 

[pood]

Somebody doesn't know shit about the other animals we share the planet with, that's for sure..

According to many studies, even some spiders can reason.

https://www.inverse.com/science/spiders-are-smart

Humans and many of the other animals we’ve come to think of as unusually bright, such as chimpanzees and dolphins, all have large brains. And it’s long been assumed that the smallest brains simply don’t have the capacity to support complex mental processes. But what if they do?

The vast majority of Earth’s animal species are rather small, and a vanishingly small portion of them have been studied at all, much less by cognition researchers.

But the profile of one group of diminutive animals is rapidly rising as scientists discover surprisingly sophisticated behaviors among them.

“There is this general idea that probably spiders are too small, that you need some kind of a critical mass of brain tissue to be able to perform complex behaviors,” says arachnologist and evolutionary biologist Dimitar Dimitrov of the University Museum of Bergen in Norway. “But I think spiders are one case where this general idea is challenged. Some small things are actually capable of doing very complex stuff.”

Behaviors that can be described as “cognitive,” as opposed to automatic responses, could be fairly common among spiders, says Dimitrov, coauthor of a study on spider diversity published in the 2021 Annual Review of Entomology.

From orb weavers that adjust the way they build their webs based on the type of prey they are catching to ghost spiders that can learn to associate a reward with the smell of vanilla, there’s more going on in spider brains than they commonly get credit for.

“It’s not so much the size of the brain that matters, but what the animal can do with what it’s got,” says arachnologist Fiona Cross of the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand.

Cross studies the behavior of jumping spiders, the undisputed champs of cognition among spiders. Although these tiny arachnids have brains that could literally fit on the head of a pin, the work of Cross and other scientists suggests that they have capabilities we’d have no problem hailing as signs of intelligence if exhibited by animals with much larger brains, like dogs or human toddlers.


“Jumping spiders are remarkably clever animals,” says visual ecologist Nathan Morehouse, who studies the spiders at the University of Cincinnati. “I always find it delightful when something like a humble jumping spider punctures our sense of biological superiority.”

For anyone who is so egocentric to believe that only humans are capable of reasoning, I suggest a few books.

1. Are we Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are by Frans de Waal

2. Doctor Dogs How Our Best Friends Are Becoming Our Best Medicine by Maria Goodavage

I can suggest more, but those two are a good start.

Of course there is also the well known book....The 3rd Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond. I just don't like to limit it to the other apes, as there are so many other animals capable of reasoning. the Bible is an old book of mythology. While there are some nice things in the NT, which are likely human universals, it's no different from other sources of mythology. There isn't truth to be found there. There may be some interesting fairly tales and poetry in most religious books, but that is not where one learns about the truth.

Btw, do you really think that humans could weave complicated webs, knowing how to trap their prey and then if necessary, wrap them up to save to eat for another day? I think it takes an element of reasoning to do that. Plus, there is new evidence that some animals do have the own language. For example whales and dolphins do. We just don't understand their language. Dogs understand a lot of our language, but we're not always that good at understanding what they are trying to tell us in their non verbal way. Maybe we aren't smart enough to know how smart animals are.

Dogs now talk to us via sound boards.

 

[No Robots]

The evidence is quite plain even just with reference to yourself and your absolutizing of irrationalism, chaos, randomness and entropy.

Evidence?

Here is one of your posts from just today:

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.

You have clearly sided with irrationalism, entropy, chaos and randomness.

 

[pood]

The evidence is quite plain even just with reference to yourself and your absolutizing of irrationalism, chaos, randomness and entropy.

Evidence?

Here is one of your posts from just today:

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.

You have clearly sided with irrationalism, entropy, chaos and randomness.

I have sided with the facts of reality. You should try it sometime.

 

[No Robots]

The evidence is quite plain even just with reference to yourself and your absolutizing of irrationalism, chaos, randomness and entropy.

Evidence?

Here is one of your posts from just today:

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.

You have clearly sided with irrationalism, entropy, chaos and randomness.

I have sided with the facts of reality. You should try it sometime.

Your adhesion to the omnipotence of entropy, chaos, and irrationality simply ignores the reality of evolution, cohesion, unity, order and reason.

 

[pood]

Our best evidence suggests that the universe will suffer entropic heat death. Perhaps that is wrong, but it is what the evidence shows. Too bad so sad.

 

[pood]

The evidence is quite plain even just with reference to yourself and your absolutizing of irrationalism, chaos, randomness and entropy.

Evidence?

Here is one of your posts from just today:

It is the destiny of mankind to go extinct.

You have clearly sided with irrationalism, entropy, chaos and randomness.

I have sided with the facts of reality. You should try it sometime.

Your adhesion to the omnipotence of entropy, chaos, and irrationality simply ignores the reality of evolution, cohesion, unity, order and reason.

You are just throwing terms you don’t even understand. Word salad.

 

[pood]

Returning to Rand, she was an atheist but actually believed that humans were self-making gods, as embodied by her novelized protagonists Howard Roark and John Galt.

She had an early fascination with Nietzsche and his overman stuff and all that, but repudiated him when she decided that he had come to his conclusions through mysticism rather than reason.

Humans are actually fumbling and farting their way through the world like all other entities. Realizing this arouses compassion, as Schopenhauer noted. There are no supernatural gods or mortal ones.

 

[No Robots]

Our best evidence suggests that the universe will suffer entropic heat death. Perhaps that is wrong, but it is what the evidence shows. Too bad so sad.

The evidence is that entropy and evolution exist in dynamic co-existence. The universe eternally descends into entropy and ascends to full evolution.

 

[pood]

Our best evidence suggests that the universe will suffer entropic heat death. Perhaps that is wrong, but it is what the evidence shows. Too bad so sad.

The evidence is that entropy and evolution exist in dynamic co-existence. The universe eternally descends into entropy and ascends to full evolution.

The order of the earth, including evolved life, is negentropy, owing to the fact that the earth is not a closed system. But the universe is a closed system which implies ultimate heat death. That is our best evidence. Of course it could be wrong, but just asserting it is wrong is nonsensical.

 

[No Robots]

Our best evidence suggests that the universe will suffer entropic heat death. Perhaps that is wrong, but it is what the evidence shows. Too bad so sad.

The evidence is that entropy and evolution exist in dynamic co-existence. The universe eternally descends into entropy and ascends to full evolution.

The order of the earth, including evolved life, is negentropy, owing to the fact that the earth is not a closed system. But the universe is a closed system which implies ultimate heat death. That is our best evidence. Of course it could be wrong, but just asserting it is wrong is nonsensical.

And yet the universe manifests order, evolution, reason, cohesion and unity. Clearly the evidence is against the omnipotence of entropy.

 

[pood]

Our best evidence suggests that the universe will suffer entropic heat death. Perhaps that is wrong, but it is what the evidence shows. Too bad so sad.

The evidence is that entropy and evolution exist in dynamic co-existence. The universe eternally descends into entropy and ascends to full evolution.

The order of the earth, including evolved life, is negentropy, owing to the fact that the earth is not a closed system. But the universe is a closed system which implies ultimate heat death. That is our best evidence. Of course it could be wrong, but just asserting it is wrong is nonsensical.

And yet the universe manifests order, evolution, reason, cohesion and unity. Clearly the evidence is against the omnipotence of entropy.

Sigh.

No.

The earth and other celestial bodies receive outside energy — from the sun, for example. They are thus open systems. So far as we can tell, the universe as a whole is a closed system. Therefore its destiny is thermodynamic equilibrium.

 

[No Robots]

^To initiate the stars, the universe was in a state other than thermodynamic equilibrium.

 

[pood]

^To initiate the stars, the universe was in a state other than thermodynamic equilibrium.

And?

 

[pood]

Dog is God spelled backward.

 

[No Robots]

^To initiate the stars, the universe was in a state other than thermodynamic equilibrium.

And?

The universe escaped thermodynamic equilibrium once. It will do so again, unto eternity.

 

[No Robots]

Dog is God spelled backward.

Depends what language you use. Gott ist Tod.