Democrats represent the people more than Republicans

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/khjx24/republican_lawmakers_vote_far_more_often_against

Republicans are much more likely to vote identity rather than what the voters want.

 

[RVonse]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

 

[none]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

 

[Swammerdami]

I wanted a T-bone steak but the only two items on the menu were hamburger and dogshit. The waiter said he'd throw in a free lollipop if I ate the dogshit, so that's what I ordered.

 

[RVonse]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

 

[none]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

coded message for "I vote republican and you should too"

 

[TomC]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

That you think Mr Ventura is a political pundit tells me a good deal about you.

https://www.wwe.com/superstars/jesseventura

Tom

 

[ideologyhunter]

At this point the Repubs have promoted so much illegality, corruption and rampant destruction of democracy under MAGA that the whole party should be indictable under the RICO statute.

 

[ZiprHead]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

Couldn't have been said better by a one term politician.

 

[Rhea]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

See, Republicans say this (and “independants” who believe Republican propaganda repeat it), but the oligarchs do not support the health care access, the labor bargaining, the safety and the government infrastructure that the Democratic Party pushes. So this claim, intended to drive barely repblicans back to the oligarchical fold, is repeated again and again to do it’s deceptive work.

 

[Keith&Co.]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

Wait, you want 'the government' to choose the politicians to vote for?

Few years back, my company ran a survey. The questions thry asked were about benefits. Sounding out what benefits were the most important to yhe grestest number of people. Then, surprise, they cut back on the benefits that scored the lowest. That way they saved the most money (to their benefit) while suffering the lowest nimber of lost experts (also to their benefit). Very hard to get anyone in yyhe buildings to take a survey since then, even for 'what kind of music at the xmas party.'

If we voted 'none of the above' this year, 'the government' would not seek our best reps. They would tease it out, giving us slightly better candidates, and slightly better, until they find the minimum representation a majority of voters would accept.

Which is pretty much tgge primary system anyways....

 

[Elixir]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

See, Republicans say this (and “independants” who believe Republican propaganda repeat it), but the oligarchs do not support the health care access, the labor bargaining, the safety and the government infrastructure that the Democratic Party pushes. So this claim, intended to drive barely repblicans back to the oligarchical fold, is repeated again and again to do it’s deceptive work.

It's a fair bet that any time you see "both parties" or "neither party", someone is trying to further Republican talking points by drawing a false equivalence.
Playing down the significance of the choice of a majority is the last resort of the minority that is losing its grip on power.
That the choice of the majority is what a representative system is intended to produce, is a fact that must be lied about or obfuscated.

 

[TomC]

Wait, you want 'the government' to choose the politicians to vote for?

Worse still.



RVonse is confusing the political parties for the government. It's an easy mistake for a low information voter to make in current political climate.

Unfortunately for the USA it's quite a common problem.
Tom

 

[SimpleDon]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

But it has been made abundantly clear that the Republicans won't change. The Democrats, on the other hand, have the chance of coming around to their historical stance of championing the workers. They need to reject identity politics to favor all of the precariats and to abandon trying to curry the favor of Wall Street and the corporations, who are always going to favor the Republicans more than the Democrats.

 

[RVonse]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

See, Republicans say this (and “independants” who believe Republican propaganda repeat it), but the oligarchs do not support the health care access, the labor bargaining, the safety and the government infrastructure that the Democratic Party pushes. So this claim, intended to drive barely repblicans back to the oligarchical fold, is repeated again and again to do it’s deceptive work.

Not sure what your point is. If the people have 3 choices, they still can choose the Democrat that really cares about health care access, labor, and safety. But if the Democrats put up someone like Biden instead of Bernie, those liberals still have the choice of the #3 option (neither candidate). And there may be some Republicans who really feel like they have to hold their nose too, who will also vote for the third option. Basically the third option just means the people get what they want or our ruling class has to put up more options until they do. But the third option does not do anything more or less it just improves representation of democracy.

What's wrong with that?

 

[RVonse]

Wait, you want 'the government' to choose the politicians to vote for?

Worse still.



RVonse is confusing the political parties for the government.
Tom

Not for a second. But it is you that is confused if you really think the majority of liberals really wanted to elect Joe Biden this last election. They simply did not want Trump.

In a better world, the public would vote for someone and not vote against anyone.

 

[RVonse]

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

That you think Mr Ventura is a political pundit tells me a good deal about you.

https://www.wwe.com/superstars/jesseventura

Tom

He says politics is just like pro wrestling. Actors putting on a fictional show for the entertainment of consumers.

Yes, it sounds about right to me.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I don't know a lot about Jesse The Body. I do remember that most of his late-90s sound bites were full of posturing and pandering of the sort that goes on in bars and diners. Simplistic and in Jesse's case, lacking a common thread. I gather that he did enough "tax reform" to more than wipe out Minnesota's budget surplus. I did find a post-politics quote from him that I like: "You give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders."

 

[Keith&Co.]

Wait, you want 'the government' to choose the politicians to vote for?

Worse still.



RVonse is confusing the political parties for the government.
Tom

Not for a second. But it is you that is confused if you really think the majority of liberals really wanted to elect Joe Biden this last election. They simply did not want Trump.

In a better world, the public would vote for someone and not vote against anyone.

Whooooosh!

 

[SimpleDon]

But neither party represents the people because they represent the oligarchy and special interests. So any small difference is not worth an argument.

coded message for "I am a republican"

I'm independent who believes Jessie Ventura said it best. Give voters a choice between the republican, the democrat, or "none of the above". And that way, if "none of the above" gets the most votes government should be required to go back and find candidates we will actually want in office. And those people might actually be the politicians who actually represent the voters.

But we need a government! You offer the voters "none of the above" and you will elect no one!