Derails from: Would-be Race War

[Derec]

Federal agents have busted a plot by three racists who intended to bomb black churches in order to begin a race war.

You mean almost like what this guy did?

Was he also trying to start a race war I wonder ...

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Federal agents have busted a plot by three racists who intended to bomb black churches in order to begin a race war.

You mean almost like what this guy did?

Was he also trying to start a race war I wonder ...

Your point is what? Don't look at the white people who did fucked up shit? It is ok for white people to do fucked up shit because look at this black guy over here? Never talk about white people doing fucked up shit until no black people do fucked up shit? What is your point?

Does the idea of talking about white folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much?

I wouldn't say anything about this, but this seems to be your go to move. This is not the first time you have tried to move the discussion from white people to black people. Is this something you do in real life as well? The "well, Jimmy down the street did it too so let's talk about Jimmy and not what Johnny did, ... or what I did" defense?

 

[Derec]

Your point is what?

The glaring double standard re race both in the mainstream media and on here.

Don't look at the white people who did fucked up shit? It is ok for white people to do fucked up shit because look at this black guy over here? Never talk about white people doing fucked up shit until no black people do fucked up shit? What is your point?

My point is quite the opposite: that it is only politically correct to talk about "fucked up shit" done by white people, never by black people. When people thought the black churches in St. Louis were set on fire by white people MSM talked about it. After a black man was arrested for it there was much less attention. It even goes so far that some are trying to redefine racism to include only whites. For example this tweet by the notorious big dongle affecianado:

I do not have to tell you about it because you are part of that "some".

Does the idea of talking about white folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much?

Does the idea of talking about black folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much? Or why else would you insist only one side of the "race war" story be mentioned?

I wouldn't say anything about this, but this seems to be your go to move. This is not the first time you have tried to move the discussion from white people to black people. Is this something you do in real life as well? The "well, Jimmy down the street did it too so let's talk about Jimmy and not what Johnny did, ... or what I did" defense?

Well if the person only brings up wrong things Johnny did (real or imagined, including what his remote ancestors did) and always ignores things Jimmy did (and even denies Jimmy is capable for being blamed for bad things on account of what his remote ancestors went through) then damn sure I will keep bringing up Jimmy to that person!

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The glaring double standard re race both in the mainstream media and on here.

Don't look at the white people who did fucked up shit? It is ok for white people to do fucked up shit because look at this black guy over here? Never talk about white people doing fucked up shit until no black people do fucked up shit? What is your point?

My point is quite the opposite: that it is only politically correct to talk about "fucked up shit" done by white people, never by black people. When people thought the black churches in St. Louis were set on fire by white people MSM talked about it. After a black man was arrested for it there was much less attention. It even goes so far that some are trying to redefine racism to include only whites. For example this tweet by the notorious big dongle affecianado:

I do not have to tell you about it because you are part of that "some".

Does the idea of talking about white folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much?

Does the idea of talking about black folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much? Or why else would you insist only one side of the "race war" story be mentioned?

I wouldn't say anything about this, but this seems to be your go to move. This is not the first time you have tried to move the discussion from white people to black people. Is this something you do in real life as well? The "well, Jimmy down the street did it too so let's talk about Jimmy and not what Johnny did, ... or what I did" defense?

Well if the person only brings up wrong things Johnny did (real or imagined, including what his remote ancestors did) and always ignores things Jimmy did (and even denies Jimmy is capable for being blamed for bad things on account of what his remote ancestors went through) then damn sure I will keep bringing up Jimmy to that person!

Then start a thread or a series of threads on these injustices.
I will participate.
But you don't do that.
You hijack existing threads to make sure that those threads don't discuss things you seem to not want discussed.

You do realize we can see you, right?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The glaring double standard re race both in the mainstream media and on here.

I'm sorry Derec, who here and in the mainstream media is supporting the unidentified man in the photo you assume we all know the identity of? You are welcome to post a story about him. If he is a violent criminal, I doubt you'll get much discussion as there are few people here that will defend him, just like there are only a few people here who would defend the three Athena posted the story about. Which begs the questions:

Are you defending these three? Did the FBI entrap them? Are their actions somehow permissible? Should there be a race war?

Did you notice anyone here sympathizing with these suspected terrorists?

 

[SimpleDon]

The glaring double standard re race both in the mainstream media and on here.

Don't look at the white people who did fucked up shit? It is ok for white people to do fucked up shit because look at this black guy over here? Never talk about white people doing fucked up shit until no black people do fucked up shit? What is your point?

My point is quite the opposite: that it is only politically correct to talk about "fucked up shit" done by white people, never by black people. When people thought the black churches in St. Louis were set on fire by white people MSM talked about it. After a black man was arrested for it there was much less attention. It even goes so far that some are trying to redefine racism to include only whites. For example this tweet by the notorious big dongle affecianado:

I do not have to tell you about it because you are part of that "some".

Does the idea of talking about white folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much?

Does the idea of talking about black folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much? Or why else would you insist only one side of the "race war" story be mentioned?

I wouldn't say anything about this, but this seems to be your go to move. This is not the first time you have tried to move the discussion from white people to black people. Is this something you do in real life as well? The "well, Jimmy down the street did it too so let's talk about Jimmy and not what Johnny did, ... or what I did" defense?

Well if the person only brings up wrong things Johnny did (real or imagined, including what his remote ancestors did) and always ignores things Jimmy did (and even denies Jimmy is capable for being blamed for bad things on account of what his remote ancestors went through) then damn sure I will keep bringing up Jimmy to that person!

We have been through this so many times before.

There is no indication that David Lopez Jackson was trying to start a race war. Newsweek: "while the ATF stated on Friday that it believes that the arson attacks were not racially motivated."

So your attempt at justifying the actions of the OP's three would be race war starters with a seemingly mentally unstable arsonist makes sense only to you.

Yes, we are much more concerned with white verses black racism, your racism, than with black verses white because the former was the legal, institutional racism in this country for so long. And yes, we made legally sanctioned racism illegal. But that doesn't mean the it disappeared overnight or that it relieved us of the obligation to try to mitigate the problems that the legalized racism created for the victims of it.

 

[KeepTalking]

The picture Derec posted is of David Lopez Jackson, who recently attempted to burn down several churches in St. Louis. At first it was assumed that it was a white man targeting black churches, as the first 4 or 5 he tried to burn down had predominantly black congregations. The next few, however, were mostly white churches, and it now appears that he was just targeting churches close to his neighborhood. So, despite Derec's leading question, his motives are not clear, at least not to the public at this time, and it does not appear that he was trying to start a race war. This makes it quite a different case from the two men in the OP.

 

[Derec]

Should there be a race war?

No, of course not. But blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks, according to FBI crime data. Yet the media and people on here are disproportionally obsessed with white-on-black crime. Now, why is that?

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The picture Derec posted is of David Lopez Jackson, who recently attempted to burn down several churches in St. Louis. At first it was assumed that it was a white man targeting black churches, as the first 4 or 5 he tried to burn down had predominantly black congregations. The next few, however, were mostly white churches, and it now appears that he was just targeting churches close to his neighborhood. So, despite Derec's leading question, his motives are not clear, at least not to the public at this time, and it does not appear that he was trying to start a race war. This makes it quite a different case from the two men in the OP.

The fact still remains that white they thought it was white people setting those fires the story was widely reported. Since the arrest there was comparatively very little.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Should there be a race war?

No, of course not. But blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks, according to FBI crime data. Yet the media and people on here are disproportionally obsessed with white-on-black crime. Now, why is that?

Start a thread about that and we will discuss. OR show what that has to do with the capture of self professed white supremacists who were actively plotting to start a race war. Capture that was the act of the same FBI you look to for stats. THAT SAME FBI thinks these guys are worth attention. Don't you?

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The picture Derec posted is of David Lopez Jackson, who recently attempted to burn down several churches in St. Louis. At first it was assumed that it was a white man targeting black churches, as the first 4 or 5 he tried to burn down had predominantly black congregations. The next few, however, were mostly white churches, and it now appears that he was just targeting churches close to his neighborhood. So, despite Derec's leading question, his motives are not clear, at least not to the public at this time, and it does not appear that he was trying to start a race war. This makes it quite a different case from the two men in the OP.

The fact still remains that white they thought it was white people setting those fires the story was widely reported. Since the arrest there was comparatively very little.

You just said he was arrested. Has he gone to trial? What part of the story has not been told or should they just keep talking about it whether or not there is anything new to say?

 

[KeepTalking]

No, of course not. But blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks, according to FBI crime data. Yet the media and people on here are disproportionally obsessed with white-on-black crime. Now, why is that?

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The picture Derec posted is of David Lopez Jackson, who recently attempted to burn down several churches in St. Louis. At first it was assumed that it was a white man targeting black churches, as the first 4 or 5 he tried to burn down had predominantly black congregations. The next few, however, were mostly white churches, and it now appears that he was just targeting churches close to his neighborhood. So, despite Derec's leading question, his motives are not clear, at least not to the public at this time, and it does not appear that he was trying to start a race war. This makes it quite a different case from the two men in the OP.

The fact still remains that white they thought it was white people setting those fires the story was widely reported. Since the arrest there was comparatively very little.

The fact that I recognized his picture shows that at least the arrest was well publicized. I doubt that the two men in the OP will be talked about much in the media after this initial few days of publicity, and until a trial nears, much like with Jackson.

 

[laughing dog]

The glaring double standard re race both in the mainstream media and on here.

Don't look at the white people who did fucked up shit? It is ok for white people to do fucked up shit because look at this black guy over here? Never talk about white people doing fucked up shit until no black people do fucked up shit? What is your point?

My point is quite the opposite: that it is only politically correct to talk about "fucked up shit" done by white people, never by black people. When people thought the black churches in St. Louis were set on fire by white people MSM talked about it. After a black man was arrested for it there was much less attention. It even goes so far that some are trying to redefine racism to include only whites. For example this tweet by the notorious big dongle affecianado:

I do not have to tell you about it because you are part of that "some".

Does the idea of talking about white folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much?

Does the idea of talking about black folk hating and hurting other people for no other reason than their race scare you that much? Or why else would you insist only one side of the "race war" story be mentioned?

I wouldn't say anything about this, but this seems to be your go to move. This is not the first time you have tried to move the discussion from white people to black people. Is this something you do in real life as well? The "well, Jimmy down the street did it too so let's talk about Jimmy and not what Johnny did, ... or what I did" defense?

Well if the person only brings up wrong things Johnny did (real or imagined, including what his remote ancestors did) and always ignores things Jimmy did (and even denies Jimmy is capable for being blamed for bad things on account of what his remote ancestors went through) then damn sure I will keep bringing up Jimmy to that person!

You are not fooling anyone here.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

No, of course not. But blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks, according to FBI crime data. Yet the media and people on here are disproportionally obsessed with white-on-black crime. Now, why is that?

Why did you bring up racial crime statistics in an answer to my question?

 

[Derec]

Why do white supremacists always have this weird idea about starting a "race war". I don't think they think these things through very well.

Again, it's not just white supremacists, but they are the ones getting all the attention.
See King Noble from Atlanta for example.
There was also a guy from Valdosta who was making terroristic threats against white people and police (talked about murdering white children even) but he was only arrested on a gun charge.

 

[laughing dog]

No, of course not. But blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks, according to FBI crime data. Yet the media and people on here are disproportionally obsessed with white-on-black crime. Now, why is that?

Why did you bring up racial crime statistics in an answer to my question?

It is an attempt to fool someone into thinking your question was answered. Fortunately, very few people fall for such desperation.

 

[Derec]

King Noble appears to be parody or at most a blowhard.
The other guy was mentally unstable.

Interesting how you downplay and excuse all instances of black supremacy and black racism.

Were the two white guys in the OP "parodies", "blowhards" etc. or do they not get that benefit because they are white?

 

[KeepTalking]

King Noble appears to be parody or at most a blowhard.
The other guy was mentally unstable.

Interesting how you downplay and excuse all instances of black supremacy and black racism.

Were the two white guys in the OP "parodies", "blowhards" etc. or do they not get that benefit because they are white?

If they were actually planning attacks, as seems to be the case, then they are certainly more dangerous than a parody or blowhard.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Derec,

Do you have anything to say about the actual topic of the OP?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

King Noble appears to be parody or at most a blowhard.
The other guy was mentally unstable.

Interesting how you downplay and excuse all instances of black supremacy and black racism.

Were the two white guys in the OP "parodies", "blowhards" etc. or do they not get that benefit because they are white?

Okay, you did see my deleted post so I will respond.

I'll be blunt:

1. King Noble appears to be an internet weirdo. As far as I can tell from the scant sources available he has not plotted or taken action to kill anyone. He is a scary Black man to right-wing websites. Beyond this if he has committed a crime, he should be arrested and brought to justice.
   
2. The other guy has been charged with a crime and is in custody (I assume he is awaiting trial) he is a flight risk and has been denied bail.

Now onto the other part (I am assuming you never watched the video):

Three white men (not two) have been arrested. They were actively plotting to kill a specific person in an armed robbery (these are actual crimes) and actively plotting to commit and carry out other specific armed robberies where they would also kill people. They then planned to use the proceeds from this crime spree to buy real estate and arms to set up a race war training camp.

So no, they don't get the benefit of the doubt for plotting to murder a specific person (who is probably white), just like the second guy you linked to who committed an actual crime doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.​

 

[Derec]

[*]King Noble appears to be an internet weirdo. As far as I can tell from the scant sources available he has not plotted or taken action to kill anyone. He is a scary Black man to right-wing websites. Beyond this if he has committed a crime, he should be arrested and brought to justice.

And those white guys from the OP are not weirdos? But FBI is doing something about them, but nothing about black supremacists.

[*]The other guy has been charged with a crime and is in custody (I assume he is awaiting trial) he is a flight risk and has been denied bail.

Actually he has been released on bail and is currently residing in Cobb County. He threatened to kill white men, women, children and babies.

Now onto the other part (I am assuming you never watched the video):

I do not watch TYT videos. They make Bill O'Riley or Hannity seem fair and balanced.

Three white men (not two) have been arrested. They were actively plotting to kill a specific person in an armed robbery (these are actual crimes) and actively plotting to commit and carry out other specific armed robberies where they would also kill people. They then planned to use the proceeds from this crime spree to buy real estate and arms to set up a race war training camp.​

And I have no problem with them being arrested and tried. But I have a problem with FBI and DOJ ignoring black supremacists. Why not send an undercover FBI agent to try to sell explosives to King Noble or that Sheppard guy to build a federal case against them?​

 

[Nice Squirrel]

(1) And those white guys from the OP are not weirdos? (2) But FBI is doing something about them, but nothing about black supremacists.

1. Once again, those three men were plotting an armed robbery and the murder of a specific person and planned to carry it out.
2. I guarentee the FBI are monitoring such groups if not actively operating undercover. The FBI does not reveal details of its active invesigations.

[*]The other guy has been charged with a crime and is in custody (I assume he is awaiting trial) he is a flight risk and has been denied bail.

Actually he has been released on bail and is currently residing in Cobb County. He threatened to kill white men, women, children and babies.

So you have more up-to-date links than I do. If you have issues with his charges, take them up with the prosecutor's office. (I suspect it is because in many states terroristic threats need to be directed at specific individuals with a likelihood of carrying them out. "Kill all Jews" is different than "I am going to kill Jewy McJerweson", but you'll need to ask the prosecutor.) Then again, I don't know why you keep bringing this guy up.

Now onto the other part (I am assuming you never watched the video):

I do not watch TYT videos. They make Bill O'Riley or Hannity seem fair and balanced.

Then you don't know why your arguments make no sense. You don't know what these men are actually charged with or whats even at issue here, but you go post some bullshit about how this proves bias or something. I haven't really figured out your point.

Three white men (not two) have been arrested. They were actively plotting to kill a specific person in an armed robbery (these are actual crimes) and actively plotting to commit and carry out other specific armed robberies where they would also kill people. They then planned to use the proceeds from this crime spree to buy real estate and arms to set up a race war training camp.​

And I have no problem with them being arrested and tried. But I have a problem with FBI and DOJ ignoring black supremacists. Why not send an undercover FBI agent to try to sell explosives to King Noble or that Sheppard guy to build a federal case against them?​

Please post a list of people the FBI is actively investigating.

Seriously,
How do you know what the FBI is or isn't doing? And yes, the FBI does have a long history of infiltrating all supremacist groups. Right now the most active militant groups are the right-wing groups, in the 70s and 80s it was the left-wing groups. The FBI most likely is actively monitoring King Noble. It would be very strange if they weren't.​