Did Gods create gravity, and other questions about the nature of God(dess)(es) and free will

[Rhea]

As atheists like to show, if the story is taken literally then that's when the story falls apart. It can't fit in with what we know of history and science when taken literally.

But a story is fine in itself, because as a story it can defy history and physics. It's only when fundy literalists say it's not a story that they make a problem for themselves. So, let them make this problem for themselves. Is it a strategic move to try to impose it on all Christians? Fewer balloons to pop?

See, the reason I dont buy this is because of the ABSOLUTE REFUSAL of these non-literalists to change the bble by a jot or tittle. They do take it literally to the point that they will not tear out the offensive parts. They won’t re-publish without the horror. Because they are literal about its sacredness. They say they don’t take it literally, and then they just do.

 

[phands]

As atheists like to show, if the story is taken literally then that's when the story falls apart. It can't fit in with what we know of history and science when taken literally.

But a story is fine in itself, because as a story it can defy history and physics. It's only when fundy literalists say it's not a story that they make a problem for themselves. So, let them make this problem for themselves. Is it a strategic move to try to impose it on all Christians? Fewer balloons to pop?

See, the reason I dont buy this is because of the ABSOLUTE REFUSAL of these non-literalists to change the bble by a jot or tittle. They do take it literally to the point that they will not tear out the offensive parts. They won’t re-publish without the horror. Because they are literal about its sacredness. They say they don’t take it literally, and then they just do.

Sadly, even the literalists still cherry-pick their "inerrant" babble.

 

[Rhea]

Reading some other threads got me wondering, spawned in part from the "free will" argument and also why a god would create a satan in the first place.
Do those people believe that their god(dess)(es), who made everything, really made all the things?

Or is there some higher power that put constraints, like a parent who says, "yeah you can borrow my car but there's a 30mph governor on it."

Did the God create gravity?
How about chemical bonds?
Did the god create that humans have to get their oxygen from air and not water (If god _really_ wanted to give me free will, he's have given me lungs and gills, hands and wings)
Did the god create endothermic reactions and the hydrogen bonds in water?
Electrical momentum?

How do the religionists envision this?

Yes God did create all those things you mention.
Though the brackets at the end of question 3 has me puzzled.I am not clear as to what free will has to do with possessing either/or lungs and gills, hands and wings

Because I puzzle at the things that religionists believe their god made - compared to those they say he couldn’t make.

For example: according to their theology, god created the world in which exercising your free will in trying to breath water results in almost immediate death. No second chance, no forgiveness. Likewise, s/he/it set up gravity such that any human who uses their free will to attempt to jump off a cliff and be a bird - will die. A god could have set up human lugs such that any time you rape, you die. It’s still free will, but each rapist would only ever have one victim, right? ANd it would be one hell of a deterrent! Better than fear of hell, I suspect. Or the god coould make it that anyone who commmits murder instantly suffers severe blunt-force trauma.

Such a strange choice of who to kill. Swimmer, or rapists. Hmmm. Swimmers, or rapists.