boneyard bill
Veteran Member
There is panic in Kiev these days as the Ukrainian forces have been routed in East Ukraine. Separatist forces have encircled 5,000 Ukrainian troops near Donetsk and another 2,000 further south. Ukraine has no forces available to rescue them. Although Kiev has ordered their troops to fight to the death, and the command has not surrendered, there are reports of large scale defections of Ukrainian troops. By now they have probably been mopped up since the separatists are now organizing an offensive against the seaport of Mariupol. If they take Mariupol, they will open up a land corridor to Crimea.
The US is now accusing Russia of "invading" Ukraine. This is not the first time that accusation has been made. But there is no evidence for this so far. While it has long been admitted that there are anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 Russian volunteers fighting on the separatist side, the descriptions of the battle do not reference and forces fighting under Russian command, and the separatists are depicted as being out-numbered.
Here is the link to the description of the battle.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-troops-suffer-catastrophic-defeat-in-novorossiya/5398546
Ukrainian troops approached Donetsk intending to capture it, but they were prevented by a small detachment of defenders who held out tenaciously until reinforcements could arrive. But reinforcements didn't simply supplement the defenders. They surrounded the entire Ukrainian army. The battle is compared to Stalingrad where Hitler's troops, upon finally taking the city found themselves trapped inside it. A similar maneuver occurred near Novoazorsk on the Sea of Azov where rebels surrounded 2,000 Ukrainian troops making them unavailable to relieve the siege at Donetsk.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian troops are very angry with the Kiev government which they claim let them down by not providing the proper equipment, fuel, ammunition, food, and even water to enable them to do their jobs. There are even rumors that the troops may march on Kiev.
For his part Poroshenko has called for more conscriptions including men up to 50. If this sounds desperate, it probably is.
Of course, Ukraine and the US are claiming Russian troops intervened. This is obviously an attempt to avoid blame for debacle at Donetsk. But without offering any serious evidence, it hard to take the claim seriously. Every encounter I have read about in Ukraine, where the Ukrainian army wasn't massacring unarmed civilians, they were defecting to the enemy or running away and leaving the weaponry behind. The separatists have captured roughly 100 Ukrainian tanks, and those are the figures from the Ukrainian side.
What happens next is anybody's guess. I get the impression that the Kiev regime is scraping and clawing just to come up with the troops and equipment for a proper defense of Mariupol, and Putin has once again called for negotiations and Ukraine has once again refused. Meanwhile NATO is preparing to deploy a rapid deployment force in Eastern Europe.
My position on this issue remains the same. The US strategy all along has been to provoke Russia into intervening in East Ukraine and use that as an excuse for NATO to deploy troops in Kiev. But for that to happen, Putin's involvement in the war would have to be much more open than it is or the West would have to put up a good deal more evidence of Russian involvement than they have so far.
The mainstream media propaganda that Putin is somehow involved in an "imperialistic" campaign to restore the USSR is too ridiculous a view even to be considered.
The US is now accusing Russia of "invading" Ukraine. This is not the first time that accusation has been made. But there is no evidence for this so far. While it has long been admitted that there are anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 Russian volunteers fighting on the separatist side, the descriptions of the battle do not reference and forces fighting under Russian command, and the separatists are depicted as being out-numbered.
Here is the link to the description of the battle.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-troops-suffer-catastrophic-defeat-in-novorossiya/5398546
Ukrainian troops approached Donetsk intending to capture it, but they were prevented by a small detachment of defenders who held out tenaciously until reinforcements could arrive. But reinforcements didn't simply supplement the defenders. They surrounded the entire Ukrainian army. The battle is compared to Stalingrad where Hitler's troops, upon finally taking the city found themselves trapped inside it. A similar maneuver occurred near Novoazorsk on the Sea of Azov where rebels surrounded 2,000 Ukrainian troops making them unavailable to relieve the siege at Donetsk.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian troops are very angry with the Kiev government which they claim let them down by not providing the proper equipment, fuel, ammunition, food, and even water to enable them to do their jobs. There are even rumors that the troops may march on Kiev.
For his part Poroshenko has called for more conscriptions including men up to 50. If this sounds desperate, it probably is.
Of course, Ukraine and the US are claiming Russian troops intervened. This is obviously an attempt to avoid blame for debacle at Donetsk. But without offering any serious evidence, it hard to take the claim seriously. Every encounter I have read about in Ukraine, where the Ukrainian army wasn't massacring unarmed civilians, they were defecting to the enemy or running away and leaving the weaponry behind. The separatists have captured roughly 100 Ukrainian tanks, and those are the figures from the Ukrainian side.
What happens next is anybody's guess. I get the impression that the Kiev regime is scraping and clawing just to come up with the troops and equipment for a proper defense of Mariupol, and Putin has once again called for negotiations and Ukraine has once again refused. Meanwhile NATO is preparing to deploy a rapid deployment force in Eastern Europe.
My position on this issue remains the same. The US strategy all along has been to provoke Russia into intervening in East Ukraine and use that as an excuse for NATO to deploy troops in Kiev. But for that to happen, Putin's involvement in the war would have to be much more open than it is or the West would have to put up a good deal more evidence of Russian involvement than they have so far.
The mainstream media propaganda that Putin is somehow involved in an "imperialistic" campaign to restore the USSR is too ridiculous a view even to be considered.
