Do Atheists believe in Heaven?

[unapologetic]

For me? I never said the purpose of going to heaven was just about me.

So who the hell do you think you are, making (after)life desisions for other people?

Say like, seeing the people who have had 'hell on earth ...

...I'd like to 'switch it up a bit' - to see/witness the former existence in sorrow turn into a life of much joy,

So work on that. Stop making false promises about 'heavenly reward' you can't deliver. Stop offering a feel good PLACEBO. Stop yapping about it, actualy do something.

Ego doesn't do humility!

Your religion doesn't do humility.
'We speak for the ultimate authority, the creator of everything. YOUR OWNER, god his own self.' Even silent impoverished monks are just frontmen for the heaven/hell protection racket.

instructed them to follow His example by serving one another.

So do that. Help people in this life. instead of helping the church sell it's protection racket.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'd gladly give it all up for a piece of heaven.

WHY?
If you give it all up, what's in it for you?

For me? I never said the purpose of going to heaven was just about me.

What's in it for me,? It's more of what I would want to see.

Say like, seeing the people who have had 'hell on earth (as the phrase often describes utter pain). The people who have lived and died poor and poorly, or lonely.and living in fear, or innocents who have been murdered, and hated, looked down upon, perhaps by their lower class status. Some may notice them suffering - close relatives,friends, acquaintances, workmates, people you may not even know.

I say quite simply (cos I'm a simple man)...

...I'd like to 'switch it up a bit' - to see/witness the former existence in sorrow turn into a life of much joy, experiencing what it's like for the very first time, what love actually feels like!
The utmost love, from God and each other.

That is nice. It'd be nice.

You want to suck on god/jesus's EGO.?

Unfortunately between our dialogue, you got the wrong God.

Ego doesn't do humility!

Jesus for example demonstrated this humility through actions such as washing His disciples’ feet, a task typically performed by servants, and instructed them to follow His example by serving one another. '

You are aware of what "feet" can mean, right? No, I'm not joking. No, I don't mean it in a callous way either.

As a side note, Jesus reportedly also abided by the Tanakh, not some other book.

 

[steve_bank]

Humility of Jesus

The poor you will always have, e just for a while. Note my dad is an all powerful god.

Humility of YAHWEH

I created the Earth and all on it and I was disappointed with the way it went. I flooded the surface and killed everything but a few people on a boat. Yea I created humans, but it wasn't my fault they went bad.

 

[Jarhyn]

Humility of Jesus

The poor you will always have, e just for a while. Note my dad is an all powerful god.

Humility of YAHWEH

I created the Earth and all on it and I was disappointed with the way it went. I flooded the surface and killed everything but a few people on a boat. Yea I created humans, but it wasn't my fault they went bad.

I will say, the last thing I think Jesus was, was 'humble'.

The guy thought he was God, with a capital G.

 

[Learner]

For me? I never said the purpose of going to heaven was just about me.

So who the hell do you think you are, making (after)life desisions for other people?

Huh? You are asking "why I am making decisions for other people?"

A typical disingenuous response, distorting my previous post. You are falsely trying to illustrate me as "forcing something onto someone, as if it is against their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Say like, seeing the people who have had 'hell on earth ...

...I'd like to 'switch it up a bit' - to see/witness the former existence in sorrow turn into a life of much joy,

So work on that. Stop making false promises about 'heavenly reward' you can't deliver. Stop offering a feel good PLACEBO. Stop yapping about it, actualy do something.

I may have made some false promises in everyday life' as a human' unrelated to the bible, but the promises according scripture are merely read and repeated i.e. Jesus declares what goes meaning no false promises (we can work on the simple to understand context).

Ego doesn't do humility!

Your religion doesn't do humility.
'We speak for the ultimate authority, the creator of everything. YOUR OWNER, god his own self.' Even silent impoverished monks are just frontmen for the heaven/hell protection racket.

We can work on your misunderstanding of the biblical concept of humility. Uncannily, you seem to be in the right direction below:

instructed them to follow His example by serving one another.

So do that. Help people in this life. instead of helping the church sell it's protection racket.

Are you telling me you acknowledge / recognise this part that says 'we should 'follow his example to serve one another..?

( I am wondering what gave me away that " I was helping the church sell it's protection racket"? )

 

[ideologyhunter]

Who would accept a long-lease condo from a mass murderer?

 

[pood]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

 

[steve_bank]

An all powerful god with a realm according to the bible is inhabited by other beings creates humans.

Humans are supposed to love and worship the god in life and in eternity after death.

A humble god? Shesh.

Sounds like inferiority complex. Needs beings to feel superior about.

 

[Learner]

Who would accept a long-lease condo from a mass murderer?

I definitely wouldn't.

 

[Learner]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

None?
The existence of the disciples witness and reported the existence of Jesus and what he taught about heaven.

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

 

[southernhybrid]

John 14:6 – “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

That sure does't sound like humility to me. It sounds delusional, but then again, I figured out the foolishness of religion by the time I was in my 20s after a childhood of being brainwashed.

Good works are better than beliefs. I will never understand why Christians and some other religions base most everything on what a person believes. If there was an all loving god, why the fuck would he care what someone believed? Wouldn't he be more interested in their character and since the so called god is responsible for everything, and knows everything, why did he allow some people to be cruel, hateful and violent? That makes no sense to me. if I were able to believe in a higher power of some sort, it would be a nurturing all loving female goddess who was a good influence on people and who didn't care if anyone thought she was the true god.

 

[pood]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

None?
The existence of the disciples witness and reported the existence of Jesus and what he taught about heaven.

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

Right, third-hand testimony about what some guy who may or may not have lived 2,000 years ago claiming that there is a place called heaven is evidence. Um, no.

Also, I believe Jesus was reputed to say that the kingdom of heaven is within you, which does not sound like he was talking about an external place but a state of mind. Regardless, none of this comes close to being evidence of anything.

Can you post a photo of heaven, or an email from someone who is there now?

What do dead souls do in heaven? Spend all their time praising God like mindless marionettes?

Sounds boring as fuck to me.

 

[pood]

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

I don’t need to provide evidence that Jesus never existed. You need to supply evidence not only that he existed, but performed miracles and rose from the dead. Evidence for these claims?

Right, none.

 

[southernhybrid]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

None?
The existence of the disciples witness and reported the existence of Jesus and what he taught about heaven.

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

There have been many books written that give evidence that Jesus never existed, but I'm not that interested to search for them now. I read one a long time ago, but if he did exist, he was just some guy who had a charismatic personality. He was able to convince people he was some type of god who could save them for believing he was their savior. Pretty goofy, but if that makes you happy.....whatever floats your boat.

Plus in a world that has invented thousands of gods. How do you know you have the right one? I guess because it makes you feel good, no? it's all about the emotional lift that some people get from their religion. I get an emotional lift from doing volunteer work and being kind to others. I just donated about 50 or so bucks worth of food to our local food pantry, hoping to help some poor people have some extra food. Tomorrow, I'll be volunteering at a small assisted living facility. it's a lot of fun. Maybe you already do those things too. If so. Good for. you. If not, I suggest you give it a try. Religion divides us. Charity beings us closer together. Remember that verse in 1st Corinthians about the faith, hope and love but the greatest of those is love or charity depending on which translation your use? There are some nice things in the Bible if you pick the sweet cherries and leave out the bitter ones.

As the line from an old song goes, "You only live once and when. you're dead, you're done so come on and let the good times roll."

 

[ideologyhunter]

Good works are better than beliefs. I will never understand why Christians and some other religions base most everything on what a person believes.

Also, the Magic FormulaR of what you believe at the Moment of Death. I mean, issues?

Admissions Coordinator, Room 17A, Heaven: I have your paperwork. Could you state your name for me?
Joe: Joe. Joe Davola.
Adm. Coord.: And your date of birth?
Joe: Nine thirteen, nineteen fifty-four.
Adm. Coord.: Okay it says here that, down on earth, you embezzled a lot of cash from a residence home for physically disabled children. Your wife divorced you on the grounds of adultery, physical abuse, and abandonment. After you got out of jail, your only child, a boy, Devon, needed a place to live, and you had a two-bedroom apartment, and you told him to leave and never contact you again. Your mother and her pastor have called you a total shit. Does that sound like your life?
Joe: (smiles) Guilty!
Adm. Coord. : I see here that c.o.d. was advanced cirrhosis of the liver complicated with untreated syphilis. The hospital chaplain states that he led you to confess to Jesus on your last day down below. Is this true?
Joe: Guilty -- I mean, I love Jesus! Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!!
Adm. Coord.: (stares at paperwork, turns the pages, sighs, appears to frown, then gives it up and smiles) Welcome to heaven, Joe! Your new home!!
Joe: Fuckin A!!

 

[Jarhyn]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

None?
The existence of the disciples witness and reported the existence of Jesus and what he taught about heaven.

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

None.

Jesus is not evidence of a supernatural heaven, nor is his teaching such evidence.

In fact, in my understanding, Jesus primarily himself thought about "resurrection" or really reincarnation, and what I will call the cycle of human memetics.

From that perspective, in fact, I can consider Jesus "mostly right", and that "heaven" is what happens when people, together, decide to build a world where the cycle of human memetics does not continue to birth "evil" (solipsistic, nihilistic, or fatalistic) people in the first place, or promptly helps such people free of their drivers of "evil" (the contradictions or ideas that drive nihilism, fatalism, or solipsism); all the elements would still be there, but new elements prevent them from holding onto the contradictory nonsense thoughts that we use as excuses to behave badly.

Jesus believed in a world where, over time, the cycles, processes, phenomena, and events of evil would be systematically mitigated by the implementation of radical love.

That's the kingdom of heaven that Jesus saw, I would think. It's not something entirely mythical, but it is something that may never be built... Not because it can't happen but because humans don't seem capable of the co-alignment it requires to the point where it would happen here for us.

Believing in a supernatural heaven is directly counter-productive to that effort, in fact.

 

[pood]

If someone wants to hold that the claims in the New Testament or the Bible as a whole are true (despite a number of the claims, including those in Genesis, being contradictory) that is fine. That is fideism. Just don’t say that these claims constitute evidence. That is false.

 

[pood]

And, of course in fact, tons of actual evidence contradict many biblical claims.

 

[lostone]

their will. Nice try.

So um yeah,; what I would mean then is you got to want to be there, to get into heaven! That's the gist of it.

Evidence for the existence of heaven?

Right, none.

None?
The existence of the disciples witness and reported the existence of Jesus and what he taught about heaven.

Tell me with evidence, Jesus never existed and I may possibly change my mind.

None.

Jesus is not evidence of a supernatural heaven, nor is his teaching such evidence.

In fact, in my understanding, Jesus primarily himself thought about "resurrection" or really reincarnation, and what I will call the cycle of human memetics.

From that perspective, in fact, I can consider Jesus "mostly right", and that "heaven" is what happens when people, together, decide to build a world where the cycle of human memetics does not continue to birth "evil" (solipsistic, nihilistic, or fatalistic) people in the first place, or promptly helps such people free of their drivers of "evil" (the contradictions or ideas that drive nihilism, fatalism, or solipsism); all the elements would still be there, but new elements prevent them from holding onto the contradictory nonsense thoughts that we use as excuses to behave badly.

Jesus believed in a world where, over time, the cycles, processes, phenomena, and events of evil would be systematically mitigated by the implementation of radical love.

That's the kingdom of heaven that Jesus saw, I would think. It's not something entirely mythical, but it is something that may never be built... Not because it can't happen but because humans don't seem capable of the co-alignment it requires to the point where it would happen here for us.

Believing in a supernatural heaven is directly counter-productive to that effort, in fact.

Evil, hell, and sin are central beliefs in all Judeo-Christian faiths. Because if we are not full of sin, then we don't need to be 'saved', and there was no reason for god to have been born in human form. And this concept of sin even leads to Calvinism, the right of the rich and powerful to rule, political justification for Christian Nationalism and the human rights excesses of DJ Trump.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Humility of Jesus

The poor you will always have, e just for a while. Note my dad is an all powerful god.

Humility of YAHWEH

I created the Earth and all on it and I was disappointed with the way it went. I flooded the surface and killed everything but a few people on a boat. Yea I created humans, but it wasn't my fault they went bad.

I will say, the last thing I think Jesus was, was 'humble'.

The guy thought he was God, with a capital G.

For the sake of fairness, many Biblical scholars conclude that Jesus did not think that he was God. He applied terms such as son of God and son of Man to other people as well as himself. This is because the Trinity concept is something invented over a hundred years after his death.
Of course this does not speak to his humbleness, and as a preacher opposing the standard teachings of his religion he would need to be a bit arrogant. Of course he was probably either a totally fictional character, or a person whose life story has been heavily fictionalized, so again because of this can not be described as a person who thought he was God.