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Europeans in the Americas before Christopher Columbus

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Christopher Columbus was well-known for "discovering America", even though he is really the first European whose trips there became well-known.

Before him, around 1000 CE, Eric the Red discovered Greenland and his son Leif Ericson discovered Labrador (Markland) and Newfoundland (Vinland). However, LE's Vinland colony did not last long, and his voyages did not become well-known until after CC's.

Looking back further, to around 500 CE, we find St. Brendan, an Irish monk who seems like he had reached Iceland. At least if his account of “great demons threw down lumps of fiery slag from an island with rivers of gold fire” refers to volcanic activity and “great crystal pillars" refers to icebergs. He also found an island and lit a fire on it. It then sank. Seems like a whale. He also discovered cat monsters with big teeth. Walruses?

But it's rather hard to tell fact from fiction in the surviving accounts of his voyages.

Looking back even further, to 300 BCE, we find Pytheas of Massalia, what is now Marseille, France. He visited Great Britain and then sailed northward. He reached an island he called Thule, and he continued onward and encountered a "frozen sea". He could not proceed any further, so he turned back. As he traveled, he noticed that daytime was nearly all of the day, consistent with him having gotten near the Arctic Circle in summer.

There does not seem much evidence that St. Brendan or Pytheas or any other pre-Leif-Ericson European had reached the Americas, despite an abundance of claims to the contrary.
 
But let's see what they might have reported if they had made it to North America.

A cross between a mouse and a weasel as big as a small dog, an animal that likes to feign death when it is threatened.

A hedgehog as big as a small dog with spines in its fur. Removing them from one’s skin can be a painful experience.

A black-and-white badger that squirts a nasty stink from its rear end if it’s disturbed.

Big pheasants with naked heads.

White-headed eagles.

Big herds of wild oxen with the manes of lions that graze in a grassland drained by a river as big as the Nile.

Venomous snakes with rattles on their tails.

Near the southeastern coast, there are swamps that are full of crocodiles.

In the southwestern deserts, plants with thick leaves that are covered with spines, and a plant that looks like a green tree trunk and that is covered with spines.

Some people there grow a grain crop which they bake. The grains burst open, making bread.

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So why don't we see any accounts of these? Can you guess what they are?
 
Following the Vikings, one of our princes is said to have not only sailed to America but to have come back to seek re-inforcements, creating one of the 'native-American' tribes, whose language was supposed to resemble ours. Madoc that was. Fortunately for the story the tribe was hit by an epidemic and, apparently, only a few words of its language survive. They do not, alas, much resemble ours.
 
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I'm disappointed that none of you tried to identify what I'd described.


A cross between a mouse and a weasel as big as a small dog, an animal that likes to feign death when it is threatened.
Opossum

A hedgehog as big as a small dog with spines in its fur. Removing them from one’s skin can be a painful experience.
Porcupine

A black-and-white badger that squirts a nasty stink from its rear end if it’s disturbed.
Skunk

Big pheasants with naked heads.
Turkey

White-headed eagles.
Bald eagle

Big herds of wild oxen with the manes of lions that graze in a grassland drained by a river as big as the Nile.
American bison / buffalo

Venomous snakes with rattles on their tails.
Rattlesnake

Near the southeastern coast, there are swamps that are full of crocodiles.
American alligator

In the southwestern deserts, plants with thick leaves that are covered with spines, and a plant that looks like a green tree trunk and that is covered with spines.
Cacti, including the saguaro cactus

Some people there grow a grain crop which they bake. The grains burst open, making bread.
American corn, and popcorn

 
Oh I guessed them, I didn't think a response was required.

It sounds like St Brendan visited Iceland, not the americas. There are no active volcanoes on the East Coast of North America. Before the Vikings, I doubt the sort of ships existed in Europe that could have done it. Roman ships designed for the Mediterranean were too fragile for the Atlantic. They made some coastal journeys up from Spain, but nothing more. The vikings invented both the ships and the navigational gear required.
 
I have read accounts of Roman shipwrecks in Brazil and Nova Scotia, but there is no evidence anyone was alive onboard when they arrived.

Eldarion Lathria
 
See: When the Smithsonian discovered an Ancient Egyptian Colony in the Grand Canyon
 
Uhh...the elephant in the room: Jews in Mesoamerica, hundreds and hundreds of years before Columbus. They had massive stone buildings, steel weapons, coins, domesticated animals. Later -- and still before Columbus -- actually before 1 A.D. -- hundreds of anticipatory Christian churches, where Jesus was worshiped by name before he was even born. Read about all of this plus a guy who lived with his head cut off in the Book o' Mormon.
 
Our own (totally superior) traditions, by the way, explain why America has such a peculiar name. It comes from its real discoverer, a 'Welsh; Bristol merchant of the name of Ap Meurig. The barbarian Bristolians could make of this nothing better than 'Amerig', which shows at once the obvious point of discovery. Who ever called a continent Vespucci?
 
Our own (totally superior) traditions, by the way, explain why America has such a peculiar name. It comes from its real discoverer, a 'Welsh; Bristol merchant of the name of Ap Meurig. The barbarian Bristolians could make of this nothing better than 'Amerig', which shows at once the obvious point of discovery. Who ever called a continent Vespucci?

The continent IS called Vespuccia

Eldarion Lathria
 
The online server is grateful you didn't type in your location profile with a name like;

"Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch"

:D
 
The online server is grateful you didn't type in your location profile with a name like;

"Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch"

:D

That was made up to please foreign mugs. Its inhabitants call it Llanfair P. G. if they need to distinguish it for all the other Llanfairs.
 
That was made up to please foreign mugs. Its inhabitants call it Llanfair P. G. if they need to distinguish it for all the other Llanfairs.

Yeah great ... just let everyone know, why don't you.
:(

It was made up by the local publican to bring in tourists to a place with nothing much else to recommend it. It is well known here.
 
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