Farmers who supported Trump having regrets

[Ford]

Moonies don't own the Washington Post. It has a better track record on the facts than you do.

Actually I mistook this for the Washington Times. Feeling better now?

I've still got some lingering engrams to deal with, but other than that I'm okay.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Actually I mistook this for the Washington Times. Feeling better now?

I've still got some lingering engrams to deal with, but other than that I'm okay.

Did that supply some quick relief?

 

[Ford]

I've still got some lingering engrams to deal with, but other than that I'm okay.

Did that supply some quick relief?

I'm sure it is only temporary. Can you recommend some courses that will get me to the next OT level?

 

[whichphilosophy]

There is no federal minimum wage for farm worker. What the gov't could do is irrelevant to what our government is doing.

Using the Hong Kong model this is a minimum set for what a worker normally earns. It may involve government.
A works contract can be given to workers outside of the USA. I do this all the time when I work outside the UK.

What the gov't could do is irrelevant to what our government is doing.

I am then given a temporary visa which allows me to visit the host country.
While I am there a visa is processed very quickly. The extra I normally need (China UAE) would be a medical.

Irrelevant and boring.

As I said sweat shops are Un-American.

And US history shows you are wrong.

At one time US industry said it couldn't afford to pay wage demands but after the war wages were quite good in many sectors and the US boomed.

After WWII, the US, Canada and Australia basically had the only intact and functioning modern economies in the world, so they were producing for most of the world. Your example is truly inapt and inept.

Whether you like it or not, Trump's actions are harming the farm industry by cutting off its labor supply and reducing its exports. No amount of smoke-blowing bs can change that fact.

So activists who want living wages such as Malala Yousafzai, farm worker organizer who joined the women's march has to be told that there is no way to change the status quo of the sweatshop worker.

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Did that supply some quick relief?

I'm sure it is only temporary. Can you recommend some courses that will get me to the next OT level?

Go to a local organisation and someone might show you something.

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You've gotta admit, though, that it is hilarious a devotee' of L. Ron Hubbard used the "owned by a cult leader" angle to try and discredit the Post.

The Washington Times, a conservative rag, is the Moonie paper. Jeff Bezos of Amazon owns the Post.

My apologies for not being able to distinguish one rag, I mean paper from another.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Hahahahahaha! Oh good one.
1) Nobody is going to do the lengthy paperwork
2) Undocumented immigrants are guaranteed minimum wage (but farm labor minimum wage is lower than for other jobs so don't expect locals to take them).

Undocumented means illegal and such workers undercut the opportunity for those who wish to come over legally with a visa and a contract. Pay people a little more and they spend a little more in the economy. This is how Europe and the USA prospered.

Few immigrants are willing to work farm jobs like these. They can get big city jobs that teach them a skill.

Allowing farmers to run sweatshops seems rather un-American
Assuming the report is true from the Washington (Moonie) Post suggesting some raids did take place.

Farm labor has a long history of being exploitative here. CNN and other outlets are covering the raids.

Your correct. Farm workers have a long history of exploitation and the only person who recognises this.

I believe an advanced nation such as the USA should seek solutions this issue. Employers frequently try to keep costs down to balance the books. Fuel prices and taxes are not negotiable but the worker has little bargaining power.

My ideas are based on actual applications of how countries restrict illegal workers but let people apply through a visa process.

If organised well (Hong Kong, Philippines and China then perhaps UAE) visa processing is quite quick and requires little in terms of man-hours and manpower.

Worst scenario, if it means charging 5 cents more for an apple or an orange why not if workers get more to live on.

 

[braces_for_impact]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=47&pgtype=sectionfront

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them.

“Everything’s coming so quickly,” Mr. Marchini said. “We’re not loading people into buses or deporting them, that’s not happening yet.” As he looked out over a crew of workers bent over as they rifled through muddy leaves to find purple heads of radicchio, he said that as a businessman, Mr. Trump would know that farmers had invested millions of dollars into produce that is growing right now, and that not being able to pick and sell those crops would represent huge losses for the state economy. “I’m confident that he can grasp the magnitude and the anxiety of what’s happening now.”

Mr. Trump’s immigration policies could transform California’s Central Valley, a stretch of lowlands that extends from Sacramento to Bakersfield. Approximately 70 percent of all farmworkers here are living in the United States illegally, according to researchers at University of California, Davis. The impact could reverberate throughout the valley’s precarious economy, where agriculture is by far the largest industry. With 6.5 million people living in the valley, the fields in this state bring in $35 billion a year and provide more of the nation’s food than any other state.

Since there is overwhelming evidence that American workers don't want, or aren't even capable of performing the tasks that we depend on for much of our food, will we start having shortages of fresh produce or will Trump realize that his attack on undocumented workers could cause great damage to the country? Will he be willing to consider farm work visas like we had in the past or will he remain his stubborn self who never admits mistakes and leave American farms without enough workers to survive?

Sure. It's happened before.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#75ebade1404a

https://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business#.Lm6t3cLPG

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/

 

[whichphilosophy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=47&pgtype=sectionfront



Since there is overwhelming evidence that American workers don't want, or aren't even capable of performing the tasks that we depend on for much of our food, will we start having shortages of fresh produce or will Trump realize that his attack on undocumented workers could cause great damage to the country? Will he be willing to consider farm work visas like we had in the past or will he remain his stubborn self who never admits mistakes and leave American farms without enough workers to survive?

Sure. It's happened before.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#75ebade1404a

https://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business#.Lm6t3cLPG

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/

In the first quote, some farm workers were earning around US$15 to $20.00 per hour for specialist workers.
As I have mentioned and based on models from other countries, issuance of visas after security checks need not be a long process.

 

[Frikki]

I've still got some lingering engrams to deal with, but other than that I'm okay.

Did that supply some quick relief?

Are you a Scientologist? Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker how gullible can you be?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Did that supply some quick relief?

Are you a Scientologist? Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker how gullible can you be?

WP is in the Sea Org.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Are you a Scientologist? Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker how gullible can you be?

WP is in the Sea Org.

If that's the case I'm also wearing a pink Tutu. I was actually barred from entry a couple of times when I worked there several years ago; once for being drunk.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Did that supply some quick relief?

Are you a Scientologist? Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker how gullible can you be?

Now that depends on which relief you're talking about. Ex Scientologist. Maybe I'll start a thread one day on this. Now that'll get a few people excited.

 

[blastula]

WP is in the Sea Org.

If that's the case I'm also wearing a pink Tutu. I was actually barred from entry a couple of times when I worked there several years ago; once for being drunk.

Are you drunk right now?

 

[whichphilosophy]

If that's the case I'm also wearing a pink Tutu. I was actually barred from entry a couple of times when I worked there several years ago; once for being drunk.

Are you drunk right now?

He asked me if I am in the Sea Organisation and I explained the likelihood. I don't drink anymore; I'm bad enough sober.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=47&pgtype=sectionfront



Since there is overwhelming evidence that American workers don't want, or aren't even capable of performing the tasks that we depend on for much of our food, will we start having shortages of fresh produce or will Trump realize that his attack on undocumented workers could cause great damage to the country? Will he be willing to consider farm work visas like we had in the past or will he remain his stubborn self who never admits mistakes and leave American farms without enough workers to survive?

Sure. It's happened before.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#75ebade1404a

https://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business#.Lm6t3cLPG

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/

Yes. I remember that well. I was even stopped in a license check that was set up to look for undocumented workers. It was in a rural farm area near whee I work. I also remember that when the farmers tried to hire local natives, nobody could do the job. I was under the impression that the current number of temporry farm work visas wasn't adequate. Am I wrong? I assume that's why so many farmers have turned to undocumented workers. It hasn't really been a problem until now, when we have a mentally disturbed man in the WH, who can't figure out the unintended consequences of his actions.

And, for those who may not have read the article, a lot of these undocumented workers are making above the minimum wage, still low, but far more than they would make in their native country.

 

[BH]

I don't like the attitude that if we can't make a profit legally it is okay to break the law to make a profit. If you can hire illegals because legal help is too expensive then why can't the farmer just sell dope too?

 

[Trausti]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-garlic-labor-shortage-20170207-story.html

Well that's totally unexpected. It's almost as if the business advocates of increased immigration are just after the cheap labor (the Democrats are similarly just after the potential voters). It's like a high-low tag team against the middle. Perhaps not too surprising, then, that Trump did well among that middle which big business and liberal politicians are trying so hard to eradicate.

 

[Harry Bosch]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-garlic-labor-shortage-20170207-story.html

Well that's totally unexpected. It's almost as if the business advocates of increased immigration are just after the cheap labor (the Democrats are similarly after the votes). It's like a high-low tag team against the middle.

Illegal immigration does bother me. But at the same time, I totally understand. If I lived in a shithole and couldn't support my family, I'd move to a better country if I could. And I'd do whatever I could to make a better future for my children. I feel very lucky that I was born in the US. I also think that it's a little hypocritical for white people to get so bothered by immigration. You all came over as an immigrant at some point. And my ancestors certainly didn't give you permission......

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I think all of us support Trump having regrets. He has a lot to regret.

 

[DrZoidberg]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=47&pgtype=sectionfront

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them.

“Everything’s coming so quickly,” Mr. Marchini said. “We’re not loading people into buses or deporting them, that’s not happening yet.” As he looked out over a crew of workers bent over as they rifled through muddy leaves to find purple heads of radicchio, he said that as a businessman, Mr. Trump would know that farmers had invested millions of dollars into produce that is growing right now, and that not being able to pick and sell those crops would represent huge losses for the state economy. “I’m confident that he can grasp the magnitude and the anxiety of what’s happening now.”

Mr. Trump’s immigration policies could transform California’s Central Valley, a stretch of lowlands that extends from Sacramento to Bakersfield. Approximately 70 percent of all farmworkers here are living in the United States illegally, according to researchers at University of California, Davis. The impact could reverberate throughout the valley’s precarious economy, where agriculture is by far the largest industry. With 6.5 million people living in the valley, the fields in this state bring in $35 billion a year and provide more of the nation’s food than any other state.

Since there is overwhelming evidence that American workers don't want, or aren't even capable of performing the tasks that we depend on for much of our food, will we start having shortages of fresh produce or will Trump realize that his attack on undocumented workers could cause great damage to the country? Will he be willing to consider farm work visas like we had in the past or will he remain his stubborn self who never admits mistakes and leave American farms without enough workers to survive?

Food will just be more expensive. Isn't that what Trump supporters voted for? If they didn't, they're idiots

 

[funinspace]

Channeling a real in-law...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=47&pgtype=sectionfront



Since there is overwhelming evidence that American workers don't want, or aren't even capable of performing the tasks that we depend on for much of our food, will we start having shortages of fresh produce or will Trump realize that his attack on undocumented workers could cause great damage to the country? Will he be willing to consider farm work visas like we had in the past or will he remain his stubborn self who never admits mistakes and leave American farms without enough workers to survive?

Food will just be more expensive. Isn't that what Trump supporters voted for? If they didn't, they're idiots

But...but we have a right to cheap food...whaaaaaaaaa!

And also, Crooked Hillary was going to tax us to death (I read it on FaceButt)...whaaaaaa!