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Finally Vigilante Justice!
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Why finally?
http://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen
http://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen
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Click bait.
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And of course the family are saying he was a good guy who "turned his life around" (from multiple convictions, including armed robbery) and are calling for the shooter to be prosecuted.
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Presumably the weapon looked realistic as it was used by the robber to make his victims believe it was a real gun.
In any case, this can be filed under "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Paintball markers that look like guns tend to be cheap, and the ones that are good for tournaments and don't look like guns are expensive.
Ex: http://www.paintball-online.com/Tippmann-Paintball-Guns-0Y.aspx versus http://www.paintball-online.com/Empire-Paintball-Guns-0Y.aspx
Generally the legal system doesn't grant leniency to robbery with fake guns.
it generally doesn't kill them either
Sorry but that's not true except in the most facile way. The robbery is treated exactly like a robbery with a real gun would be. If there is a cop on the scene you will be shot, and if your victim jumps in front of a bus trying to get away you will be facing a trial for a capital offence.
If you want to live after an armed robbery make sure there's no one who can shoot you and don't shoot anyone during the commission of the crime, and keep in mind you're rolling the dice.
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I think whether he acted correctly would need to be investigated taking into account that concealed fire arms are legal with a permit
As I understand a person who carries a licenced fire arm can be charged if they acted recklessly or disproportionately. There is provision where the person reacted to a perceived danger rather than an actual one. The case should involve quite a detailed analysis of the circumstances and sequence of events.
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If he perceived there was danger, then I understand that in most cases he would be treated as acting to a real danger.
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Because everybody involved treated it as it was real. Some of those paintball guns look very realistic, and I wish police would release the photo of the actual gun Gildersleeve used though.
What does an armed robber being killed during the commission of the robbery have to do with libertarianism or paradises?
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Let's be serious here. Unlike the kid at the park in Cleveland, this man was attempting to intimidate someone during a robbery. He didn't say "Give me all your money or I'll ruin you shirt with a paint gun shot. "
The problem with this and any vigilante case is that simply having a conceal carry permit doesn't mean you are qualified to intervene. Getting yourself involved can put them and those around them in danger, so taking vigilante action can't be something that is just shrugged about. Investigation is required to be certain a person didn't put others at risk (such as the parking lot shooting).
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I always think of the douchebag friend who would run into his friend's work and pull this kind of a thing as a prank.
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Like I said, not trained to deal with such situations. However, that'd be a pretty fucking stupid thing to do.
There are two rules in a gun fight:
1. Shoot first.
2. Shoot straight.
If you have a gun and you confront another person who also has a gun, during some sort of serious crime, a simple challenge of "Drop it!" is likely to get you killed. This is especially true if you are already in his line of fire. If you are behind him, there's a small chance he will comply. He's more likely to bolt and run, if he can.
However, if he is facing you, he's more likely to obey the rules of a gunfight.
1. Shoot first.
2. Shoot straight.
If you have a gun and you confront another person who also has a gun, during some sort of serious crime, a simple challenge of "Drop it!" is likely to get you killed. This is especially true if you are already in his line of fire. If you are behind him, there's a small chance he will comply. He's more likely to bolt and run, if he can.
However, if he is facing you, he's more likely to obey the rules of a gunfight.
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This isn't about whether firing is a good idea after brandishing a weapon, as you are pretty much forcing the issue at this point. It is whether you should brandish it in the first place. This is where training should be a prerequisite for such involvements.
Is the man a criminal? Most likely.
Is the man armed and capable of killing? Does he have a gun? Is he acting like he is willing to use it?
Is the crime being committed a capital offense? Not yet and a person with a conceal carry would probably liked to have shot first before it became one.
Will shooting the alleged criminal make people safer?
How will the shooter handle killing a person?
Like most things in life, shit is complicated!
Most likely? He threatened people with a gun and stated that his intention was to rob them.
And the assumption when someone points a gun at you should always be that they're willing to use it.