Treedbear
Veteran Member
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- May 30, 2016
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- out on a limb
- Basic Beliefs
- secular, humanist, agnostic on theism/atheism
The FTA essentially states that if the various physical features and natural laws of the universe were even slightly different from what they currently are, then we humans would not exist. Since we do exist, then the universe is fine-tuned to have those features and laws, and the best explanation for that fine-tuning is a divine or supernatural sentient being. God.
The fine tuning argument implicitly assumes that the universe has a purpose, and that purpose is to support life, specifically human life on this piece of rock we call Earth. We have no evidence to support the idea that the universe has a purpose to its existence, much less that the purpose is to support life on Earth. Without this underlying assumption, the fine tuning argument falls apart, especially when we consider that an overwhelmingly large proportion of the universe, including much of Earth except for a thin sliver at the surface, is inhospitable to life.
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The fundamental point of the FTA is that it's highly improbable that the constants of nature happen to have values which would allow life to exist in any form, let alone human. That's the basic premise for suggesting there needs to be a God. If one's only point is that human life wouldn't exist then it's only a matter of a few seconds that would have prevented the asteroid striking the Chicxulub region, with its extensive gypsum deposits, and which caused the end of the dinosaurs and the rise of the mammals. I've even heard one TV evangelist claim that we have God to thank for placing Jupiter in the path of the comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 thereby saving mankind. So if we can get past the idea that no, we wouldn't otherwise even be here to pose the question, then we still must deal with the notion that life itself is special in some fundamental way. Out with anthropocentrism and in with biocentrism. It seems that being truly objective might require extraordinary humility indeed.
I think the confusion in the discussion of FTA vs AFM is that FTM is derived from Aristotle's conception of God and his attempt at a rational argument for the existence of a first cause, while AFM is strictly based on biblical and pre-biblical myths. I've heard it said that Aristotle's God can't be found in the Bible. The Bible God is about as perfect as Donald Trump is trustworthy.