untermensche
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So Israel can kill any alleged terrorist it wants to, along with "collateral damage" but if the Palestinians kidnap an actual soldier that is terrorism?
The double standard is so old and entrenched it doesn't surprise me.
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For those who say that Iran isn't supporting terrorism
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So Israel can kill any alleged terrorist it wants to, along with "collateral damage" but if the Palestinians kidnap an actual soldier that is terrorism?
The double standard is so old and entrenched it doesn't surprise me.
Derec
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Nope. You are the one who claimed Israel killing combatants is a "war crime". I am still waiting for you to try to back it up.You're the one evading.
The terrorist organization Hezbollah admitted they were theirs.You have no evidence these people were terrorists. They were only alleged terrorists.
Because they kidnap them for ransom. They are not acting as a military force taking POWs but as a bunch of thugs kidnapping people. But I fail to see how any of this has to do with your claim that targeting a Hezbollah convoy is a "war crime". What kind of crime? According to which international treaty?So again, how come when Palestinians kidnap soldiers this is called terrorism by Israel?
untermensche
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Nope. You are the one who claimed Israel killing combatants is a "war crime". I am still waiting for you to try to back it up.
What combatant? Where is the evidence Israel killed any combatant?
You have no evidence these people were terrorists. They were only alleged terrorists.
The terrorist organization Hezbollah admitted they were theirs.
Hezbollah is a political organization. Some of their members have used violence to repel Israeli incursion and murder in Lebanon.
Which isn't terrorism.
Terrorism is what Israel practices in Lebanon. Extreme violence and incursions merely so Israel can maintain it's oppression and continue it's theft of land.
So again, how come when Palestinians kidnap soldiers this is called terrorism by Israel?
Because they kidnap them for ransom. They are not acting as a military force taking POWs but as a bunch of thugs kidnapping people. But I fail to see how any of this has to do with your claim that targeting a Hezbollah convoy is a "war crime". What kind of crime? According to which international treaty?
According to the UN Charter. Israel is a member of the UN and the Charter forbids these kinds of acts of terrorism.
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War time?What if the Palestinians had drones and sent one to kill an Israeli leader?
Would that be terrorism?
No. Leaders are a valid target in wartime.
untermensche
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War time?No. Leaders are a valid target in wartime.
Can you imagine any scenario where Palestinians killed an Israeli leader and they would not be accused of terrorism and quickly become the victims of massive reprisals?
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You are allowed to kill military leaders, but the idea of killing political leaders, even in wartime is not kosher. The idea that it'd be alright for Palestinians to do it during wartime is just goalpost shifting by Loren.Can you imagine any scenario where Palestinians killed an Israeli leader and they would not be accused of terrorism and quickly become the victims of massive reprisals?War time?
untermensche
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You are allowed to kill military leaders, but the idea of killing political leaders, even in wartime is not kosher. The idea that it'd be alright for Palestinians to do it during wartime is just goalpost shifting by Loren.Can you imagine any scenario where Palestinians killed an Israeli leader and they would not be accused of terrorism and quickly become the victims of massive reprisals?
Can you imagine a scenario where some Palestinian killed a military leader and there would not be massive reprisals?
According to some Israel has never once used illegitimate force. These people should be dismissed for what they are, deluded children.
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In wartime, sure, but there has never been an actual war between the two. I have a hard time thinking the Israelis wouldn't target military leaders otherwise in an actual war.You are allowed to kill military leaders, but the idea of killing political leaders, even in wartime is not kosher. The idea that it'd be alright for Palestinians to do it during wartime is just goalpost shifting by Loren.
Can you imagine a scenario where some Palestinian killed a military leader and there would not be massive reprisals?
untermensche
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In wartime, sure, but there has never been an actual war between the two. I have a hard time thinking the Israelis wouldn't target military leaders otherwise in an actual war.Can you imagine a scenario where some Palestinian killed a military leader and there would not be massive reprisals?
Israel targets political leaders now.
It commits massive reprisals now.
Your son killed himself and took out a few innocent Israelis. Guess what we bulldoze your home and many others as a lesson.
If there was an actual war we would see genocide.
Hezbollah are terrorists. We don't need proof that any given member of Hezbollah is a terrorist.
Yeah, you really do. Collective responsibility for crimes is morally untenable. You could just as well say "Humans are terrorists. We don't need proof that any given member of Humanity is a terrorist.", and then arrest anyone you feel like. While I understand that this is quite a common practice, it is nevertheless morally bankrupt.
I don't know what your laws are like but here we have the concept of conspiracy. All members of a group that act together to accomplish a criminal act are guilty of the criminal act even if they did not personally do something that is illegal. (You case the place during the day, your partner burgles at night. Looking around is legal, doing so knowing you're aiding the burglar leaves you with a conspiracy to commit burglary charge--which carries the same penalty as burglary itself.)
Hezbollah is a conspiracy to commit terrorism.
It's called terrorism because they make a specific effort to capture them for ransom, this isn't an ordinary prisoner of war situation.
So Israel can kill any alleged terrorist it wants to, along with "collateral damage" but if the Palestinians kidnap an actual soldier that is terrorism?
The double standard is so old and entrenched it doesn't surprise me.
The problem here is you are comparing apples and oranges.
For an army to kidnap for ransom (or exchange in general) is a war crime.
To capture in lieu of killing is not a war crime.
What combatant? Where is the evidence Israel killed any combatant?
Hamas perfectly well admits that Israel has killed a bunch of combatants.
And even Wikipedia says Hezbollah admits ~64 dead combatants. (Which is ~10% of reality.)
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Wanna hear a funny story? Hamas won the elections in Palestine. Had they been allowed to be recognized by the International Community, and they committed those crimes, they would have been war crimes, and Israel would have had a substantial case against the UN to sanction Palestine. But no... everyone had to get their panties in a bunch and ignore the positive repercussions of a Hamas victory (that the rules do indeed change when you are in power), and there has been absolutely no progress since that election.So Israel can kill any alleged terrorist it wants to, along with "collateral damage" but if the Palestinians kidnap an actual soldier that is terrorism?
The double standard is so old and entrenched it doesn't surprise me.
The problem here is you are comparing apples and oranges.
For an army to kidnap for ransom (or exchange in general) is a war crime.
To capture in lieu of killing is not a war crime.
untermensche
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Hezbollah is a conspiracy to commit terrorism.
In other words, anybody who tries to defend themselves from Israel is a terrorist.
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What combatant? Where is the evidence Israel killed any combatant?
Hamas perfectly well admits that Israel has killed a bunch of combatants.
Yes Israel has killed many freedom fighters.
If people would just stop opposing Israeli oppression and theft nobody would get killed.
War time?No. Leaders are a valid target in wartime.
Just because there isn't always shooting doesn't mean there isn't a de-facto state of war over there.
untermensche
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War time?
Just because there isn't always shooting doesn't mean there isn't a de-facto state of war over there.
Yes, when a powerful nation is oppressing millions and stealing land from them a de-facto state of war exists.
You are allowed to kill military leaders, but the idea of killing political leaders, even in wartime is not kosher. The idea that it'd be alright for Palestinians to do it during wartime is just goalpost shifting by Loren.
Can you imagine a scenario where some Palestinian killed a military leader and there would not be massive reprisals?
According to some Israel has never once used illegitimate force. These people should be dismissed for what they are, deluded children.
Of course there would be massive reprisals. That tends to happen in war. That doesn't make it an invalid target.
untermensche
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Can you imagine a scenario where some Palestinian killed a military leader and there would not be massive reprisals?
According to some Israel has never once used illegitimate force. These people should be dismissed for what they are, deluded children.
Of course there would be massive reprisals. That tends to happen in war. That doesn't make it an invalid target.
Has Israel ever once used illegitimate force? If so when?
Of course there would be massive reprisals. That tends to happen in war. That doesn't make it an invalid target.
Has Israel ever once used illegitimate force? If so when?
Yes. In the aftermath of 1948 there were people who had left their land but not the country and they were not allowed to return to their land.
Beyond that I'm sure there are incidents but I'm not aware of any.
untermensche
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Has Israel ever once used illegitimate force? If so when?
Yes. In the aftermath of 1948 there were people who had left their land but not the country and they were not allowed to return to their land.
Beyond that I'm sure there are incidents but I'm not aware of any.
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