Angra Mainyu
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I do not know what you mean by "right thing of itself". To me, that sounds as conflation good/right. But regardless, why do you think that they disagree with me that just retribution is a good thing, in an of itself?ruby sparks said:To elaborate: including that some people think forgiveness (in particular circumstances) is the right thing of itself. I'm not sure I agree with them about that, because I have certain reservations about 'of itself', but hey.
I believe it is, but I do not think it is generally obligatory, and I often do not choose it.
Example?ruby sparks said:It is sometimes.
That is false. First, I did not 'declare' the question invalid. I argued it seemed to have a problem.ruby sparks said:Answering the question. And declaring it invalid for no good reason in order to do that.
Second, I did not do that in order to avoid answering (by the way, you really do not have the slightest idea about how I think).
Third, I answered the question!!!! Twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just cut off my reply from your post, and instead accused me of dodging. Why? So, I insisted in replying. And now you insist on the false dodge charge.
So, here goes my reply, for the n-th time: I have said many times, I do not believe that just retribution is in general obligatory. I believe that it is generally permissible, though not always. This is a different matter from whether it is a good.
How can I be in such a situation? I can do neither. Or I can forgive. But that is not at all your question. You asked "But if it's a choice between one or the other (retribution or forgiveness), there is no one correct/right/proper/one-size-fits-all choice for responses to wrongdoings, that's my substantive point. Would you disagree?".ruby sparks said:Come now, Angra. You are in a situation, you can either forgive or punish. If you forgive, you have to let go of any retributive urges, that you might or might not have had initially. I'm not talking about partial forgiveness.
Well, I disagree with to the binary nature of the choice, but obviously, there is no one correct choice for all responses. I have said that like a gazillion times, even before you asked me, even in the other thread - no, in the other two threads. When will you understand just that little bit about my position?
Forgiveness works sometimes for the people forgiving, and is permissible in many, many cases. Why do you keep asking that?ruby sparks said:If it helps, think of a very mild transgression. I'm not asking you to forgive someone who raped your daughter or killed her for fun.
I'm talking about the principle here. It will obviously be harder to forgive the further up the scale you go.
Infidelity is one that is commonly discussed. But there are even milder ones.