From MLK to BLM: How the hate stays the same.

[AthenaAwakened]

From the Fusion article Martin Luther King’s hate mail eerily resembles criticism of the Black Lives Matter movement, here are some quotes directed at Dr. King. Do they sound familiar to you?

• “What about the violence by blacks in these cities?"
• "What is this Black Power business? If it is a threat to Whites– why should Whites not retaliate? Why should Whites hire Blacks?"
• “Hang your head in shame. You are responsible for all of these riots and havoc in this country today.”
• “You don’t point out any FAULTS at all of your own people, just the whites.”
• “It would be well if every American Negro compared his position and opportunity with that of his race in other countries. He would find that in none does the Negro have the advantages the United States gives him. As justified as may be many of the demands Negroes make, they are not the only matter of importance in the world.”

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My problem with "black lives matters" is the simple fact that this isn't the issue they are protesting. They are protesting the lack of due process in cases of police violence. It should be #dueprocessmatters.

But definitely props to Huckabee for trying to get so ballsy, speaking for MLK. A man who was murdered for the righteous cause he fought for.

Speaking of which, Reagan would have hated the Tea Party. Roosevelt would have laughed at your obsession with firearms. Though, both of those are likely true.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Jeesh, you would think you folks don't have a shred of dignity left...............

So how about all those black on black murders, how do you account for liberal shit holes such as Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis??
So this destruction caused by rioting and protesting is all right as long as it advances the black agenda??

No blacks lack the intelligence for more than the top tier to be business owners.
Whites don't have to worry about hiring blacks as they will never out smart their white superiors.
Which whites seem worried to you, most I have spoken with think blacks are too ignorant to ever make an impact in the business world.

So if the blacks aren't the ones rioting and looting then who is doing it??

The blacks have no faults, they are simply ignorant victims, correct??

So the same can be said of any general class in the US today. Who cares what is happening else where, this is where I live and this is what concerns me.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Personally I've never know why people hate the Bureau of Land Management. I constantly hear about how they are teaming up with the Nature Conservancy to destroy cattle ranching.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jeesh, you would think you folks don't have a shred of dignity left...............

Well some whites did their best to hope that would happen.

So how about all those black on black murders, how do you account for liberal shit holes such as Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis??

Black and black murders are typically investigated and solved and a guy goes to prison. When a person is shot by the cops, this level of due process seems to be skipped a bit.

So this destruction caused by rioting and protesting is all right as long as it advances the black agenda??

The destruction is a bit overstated. Nor is the rioting widespread involvement, usually actual thugs and gangs trying to get some free shit and breaking stuff.

No blacks lack the intelligence for more than the top tier to be business owners.

Don't tell Ben Carson that. He is a neurosurgeon and will cut your head open and make you think you are a girl.

Which whites seem worried to you, most I have spoken with think blacks are too ignorant to ever make an impact in the business world.

You must have the best acquaintances.

So if the blacks aren't the ones rioting and looting then who is doing it??

Whites and blacks when a sports team wins something.

The blacks have no faults, they are simply ignorant victims, correct??

If the blacks are guilty of one thing... it is not being actual color black.

 

[James Brown]

So how about all those black on black murders,

False equivalence. The typical black person is not sworn to protect and serve his community.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

BLM did piss me off today. They are deciding to protest and block access to the state fair to protest the number of Black owned vendors - which they have no data on since race is not considered when the fair selects its vendors. While it may be a social justice issue, this has nothing to do with police violence and thus dilutes the whole point of BLM. They are refusing to work or talk with the state fair (a private non-profit entity). The state fair picks its vendors based on the variety of products offered and does not consider race in its application. (A.k.a.: we don't need another corn dog stand.)

The fair has even offered to find them a space where they can share information on the issues they wish to address and reach a wider audience, but so far the leaders are refusing to take them up on their offer.

I think they are shooting themselves in the foot here


http://www.twincities.com/statefair/ci_28673776/black-lives-matter-plans-protest-at-state-fair

In a statement, the group [BLM] said the State Fair has a history of denying people of color the opportunity to be vendors.

"When I look around the Fair, I don't see an equitable amount of businesses owned by people of color," Turner said. "Yet, if you look at what people call the 'help,' you see plenty of people of color picking up trash and taking tickets, etc., but very few black-owned businesses as vendors."

However, State Fair general manager Jerry Hammer disagreed with Turner's assessment.

"The truth is, there's all kinds of exhibitors of every ethnicity involved at the State Fair. Everybody's there," Hammer said Thursday night.

"Our process for selecting commercial exhibits is based on products and services and institutions that would offer something new and contribute something to the Fair. ... And that selection process has nothing to do with ethnicity.

And you don't know who owns a booth by who's working in it."

 

[repoman]

is this hate?

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[AthenaAwakened]

is this hate?

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Yes.

I hate it. I hate it every time people die senselessly. Don't you?

This woman has a child in jail who she has written off. Now she has to live with that, she has to make righteous her decision to no longer help her child. There is a lot of pain there and anger. But I guess you didn't see that, to busy looking for the gotcha moment.

"See, she is black and she says its ok for the police to kill unarmed black people." That is what the BLM movement is about. Unless your point is that all BLM protests are about armed men in shoot outs with the police, it that your point? the whole movement is now wrong and should cease? People of conscience should just shut the hell up about police shootings?

Tell me, does showing this woman with tears in her eyes and a cry in her voice make you feel righteous? make you feel right.

Is this woman's torment a good thing for you?

She is in hell right now and all she has left is hate, it is all she has to rationalize her choices in her own life.

it's grief porn. But if it makes a point, who cares? Right?

 

[repoman]

I think that there needs to be a decision made about BLM and its handling of police brutality/accountability and the issue of black on black crime. Lionizing black criminals sure muddies the waters.

I also blame the media, because it is not as interesting to cover stories of police (or police wannabes like GZ) getting away with much more blatant and less murky instances of brutality. It is the unknown aspects that let every dumb bastard (us here on TFT included) pontificate about what we know to have happened. It is a sick addiction. Think of it as compared to the missing Malaysian plane. The not knowing is addicting.

Also, they love to have pictures of the young men or teens posing like gangsters (even if it was a joke and they had no affiliations) it gets more eyeballs. And MSNBC loves decrying it even when they showed Dylann Roof's photos.

 

[ronburgundy]

My problem with "black lives matters" is the simple fact that this isn't the issue they are protesting. They are protesting the lack of due process in cases of police violence. It should be #dueprocessmatters"

It should be about due process but it isn't, neither the hashtag nor the movement. The hashtag very accurately captures the mindless knee-jerk reactionary nature of the movement and its protests, which often pay no heed to actual facts related to due process, and focus only on the outcomes in which a person that is harmed is black, or not even harmed, just not given extra special consideration for their minority status as in the case of the State Fair protest Metaphor described. They have no evidence of any lack of fair process in vendor selection, just vague baseless estimates that the number of minority owned vendors is lower than they what the arbitrarily declare it should be.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The same arguments and tactics used against the civil right movement of King's day, of Garvey's day, of Dubois and Douglass' day are the same arguments, tactics, evasions and denials that are used now. We look back on those times and no one, outside of the hopelessly delusional, would say those arguments and denials held water then, that they accurately described the situtation. And fifty years hence that generation will look back on now and wonder how come so many people denied that something was wrong? why did so many white people refuse to see the trouble or listen to black people when black people tried to tell them.

 

[Derec]

The same arguments and tactics used against the civil right movement of King's day, of Garvey's day, of Dubois and Douglass' day are the same arguments, tactics, evasions and denials that are used now.

And every kook with a free energy device thinks he is Gallileo. So fucking what? Doesn't change the fact that BLM is completely indiscriminate in their choice of causes and uses the race card for everything.

And fifty years hence that generation will look back on now and wonder how come so many people denied that something was wrong? why did so many white people refuse to see the trouble or listen to black people when black people tried to tell them.

I hope 50 years hence our society will have realized that the "identity politics" which has been the dominant paradigm for the last 40 years or so and that spawned things like BLM has been misguided and very counterproductive. Not to mention that it's overtly racist.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Personally I've never know why people hate the Bureau of Land Management. I constantly hear about how they are teaming up with the Nature Conservancy to destroy cattle ranching.

That's pretty funny!

 

[Ford]

The same arguments and tactics used against the civil right movement of King's day, of Garvey's day, of Dubois and Douglass' day are the same arguments, tactics, evasions and denials that are used now. We look back on those times and no one, outside of the hopelessly delusional, would say those arguments and denials held water then, that they accurately described the situtation. And fifty years hence that generation will look back on now and wonder how come so many people denied that something was wrong? why did so many white people refuse to see the trouble or listen to black people when black people tried to tell them.

I think there's a new level of ridiculousness, though. Watching Huckabee bloviate, I thought "would this have happened 50 years ago?" Would a white evangelical Southerner have said "you know, I think Frederick Douglass would have been on our side for this fight"?

From the early days of the abolitionists, to the Underground Railroad, to Civil Rights, there have always been white allies of the movement, but these are not them. These are white folks who are attempting to hijack that long struggle for their own purposes...they're like carpetbaggers, only worse. Gee, Huck...you integrated an all white church. Good for you. But don't wrap yourself in the mantle of a much more notable pastor and claim to speak for him because you don't.


This "all lives matter" line of attack is equally absurd. It basically says to the black lives matter folks "hey, we're more civil-rightsy than you are! Take that!" Hijack the slogan, put yourself on a pedestal, and proceed to lecture from a position of self-appointed superiority. Huckabee, Hannity, O'Reilly and the like would have you believe that they are the leading voices in this new era of civil rights. That they would have the sanction of MLK (if his life had mattered more to James Earl Ray), and that they - from their seats of power behind the Fox News desk - speak for the people.



Yes, there were white people who were fellow travelers on the road to Civil Rights. They were there in the churches, there at the marches, and in the halls of Congress (yes, even Republicans) as the bills were passed. Yet none of them - at least to my knowledge - look back and say "wow, isn't it great what we did for the blacks?"

 

[ronburgundy]

The same arguments and tactics used against the civil right movement of King's day, of Garvey's day, of Dubois and Douglass' day are the same arguments, tactics, evasions and denials that are used now. We look back on those times and no one, outside of the hopelessly delusional, would say those arguments and denials held water then, that they accurately described the situation. And fifty years hence that generation will look back on now and wonder how come so many people denied that something was wrong? why did so many white people refuse to see the trouble or listen to black people when black people tried to tell them.

Every valid argument about anything has been used invalidly at various times. It is pure logical fallacy to presume (as you do) that any argument that was ever used invalidly must always be invalid whenever it is used.

Also, pointing out the mindless knee-jerk approach of the BLM "movement" does not deny the existence of the real problem, but rather tries to keep the focus on the real problem, rather than presuming that every idiot who can put a hashtag in their tweet and get mindless conformist to show up actually understands the real problem and has done their intellectual homework to determine whether that problem underlies the superficial analysis of the specific events they are reacting to.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The same arguments and tactics used against the civil right movement of King's day, of Garvey's day, of Dubois and Douglass' day are the same arguments, tactics, evasions and denials that are used now. We look back on those times and no one, outside of the hopelessly delusional, would say those arguments and denials held water then, that they accurately described the situation. And fifty years hence that generation will look back on now and wonder how come so many people denied that something was wrong? why did so many white people refuse to see the trouble or listen to black people when black people tried to tell them.

Every valid argument about anything has been used invalidly at various times. It is pure logical fallacy to presume (as you do) that any argument that was ever used invalidly must always be invalid whenever it is used.

Also, pointing out the mindless knee-jerk approach of the BLM "movement" does not deny the existence of the real problem, but rather tries to keep the focus on the real problem, rather than presuming that every idiot who can put a hashtag in their tweet and get mindless conformist to show up actually understands the real problem and has done their intellectual homework to determine whether that problem underlies the superficial analysis of the specific events they are reacting to.

And white people know better than black people what black people's problems are?

 

[laughing dog]

Every valid argument about anything has been used invalidly at various times. It is pure logical fallacy to presume (as you do) that any argument that was ever used invalidly must always be invalid whenever it is used.

Also, pointing out the mindless knee-jerk approach of the BLM "movement" does not deny the existence of the real problem, but rather tries to keep the focus on the real problem, rather than presuming that every idiot who can put a hashtag in their tweet and get mindless conformist to show up actually understands the real problem and has done their intellectual homework to determine whether that problem underlies the superficial analysis of the specific events they are reacting to.

And white people know better than black people what black people's problems are?

No, people with the same SES as black people know better.

 

[ronburgundy]

Every valid argument about anything has been used invalidly at various times. It is pure logical fallacy to presume (as you do) that any argument that was ever used invalidly must always be invalid whenever it is used.

Also, pointing out the mindless knee-jerk approach of the BLM "movement" does not deny the existence of the real problem, but rather tries to keep the focus on the real problem, rather than presuming that every idiot who can put a hashtag in their tweet and get mindless conformist to show up actually understands the real problem and has done their intellectual homework to determine whether that problem underlies the superficial analysis of the specific events they are reacting to.

And white people know better than black people what black people's problems are?

Rational people of all colors know better than irrational ideologues of all colors about what any problems are and when a particular event is or is not an actual instance of a particular problem. For example, whether the St. Paul State Fair is rejecting vendors based on race or even whether the % of vendors accepted is at all out of step with the vendors who applied is not something better known by the magic of black skin. It is something only known by the application of reasoned thought to objective fact, of which most members of the BLM Borg have neither, not because they are black (many are not) but because they are idiots. (Note, plenty of smart black people do not support the all the rhetoric and actions of everything done under the BLM banner).

 

[repoman]

I just worked an event for managers of a very large retail company (400+ stores nationwide) in the automotive related field.

There was not one single black manager or spouse in the entire group. I was really surprised.