Go flinging a faggot of a roof!

[Derec]

Would-be terrorists who wanted to throw gays off Sears Tower arrested in Chicago
Now what kind of terrorist might they be? You've got three guesses. Could it be ....
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Islam?

Ding-ding-ding.

Two suburban Chicago men who posed for photos holding a black Islamic State group flag at a Lake Michigan beach park were arrested Wednesday on federal terrorist charges, and an undercover operative said one of the men suggested homosexuals should be thrown off the city’s tallest building.
An FBI sting begun in 2015 compiled evidence that Joseph D. Jones and Edward Schimenti sought to provide material support to Islamic State, including by providing cellphones to one person working for the FBI and posing as an IS supporter believing the phones would be used to detonate car bombs in Syria, the 65-page complaint says.
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Schimenti, who also went by “Abdul Wali,” allegedly told one person in on the sting in February that he was angry about a co-worker because the person was gay. Under Islamic Law, Schimenti was quoted as saying, “We are putting you (homosexuals) on top of Sears Tower (now the Willis Tower) and we drop you.”

The case reminds me of this little ditty.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, that's the stupidest plan anybody's ever come up with. If these guys reflect the caliber of terrorists in the US, I propose cutting the funding for anti-terrorism efforts in half.

 

[Derec]

Well, that's the stupidest plan anybody's ever come up with. If these guys reflect the caliber of terrorists in the US, I propose cutting the funding for anti-terrorism efforts in half.

Well no. For every one like this you have simple-yet effective ones like Omar Mateen.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, that's the stupidest plan anybody's ever come up with. If these guys reflect the caliber of terrorists in the US, I propose cutting the funding for anti-terrorism efforts in half.

Well no. For every one like this you have simple-yet effective ones like Omar Mateen.

I think it's for every thirty or forty like this, actually. Terrorists aren't actually James Bond villains, despite how the right wingers would have us view them. And no, I'm not going to google whoever that guy you shoehorned into this probably unrelated discussion is.

 

[repoman]

Oh, did Sye Ten get his channel unbanned?

 

[Derec]

Oh, did Sye Ten get his channel unbanned?

Yes, apparently he did. Waiting for the next Truck of Peace episode, to see what Aids Skrillex and the gang are up to ...

 

[ronburgundy]

FYI, their comment about killing homosexuals has nothing to do with why they were arrested. They were arrested for attempting to provide cell phones to IS to be used to detonate terrorist bombs.

If saying you wanted to kill gays was considered terrorism, then millions of Christians would be in prison for it.

 

[funinspace]

FYI, their comment about killing homosexuals has nothing to do with why they were arrested. They were arrested for attempting to provide cell phones to IS to be used to detonate terrorist bombs.

If saying you wanted to kill gays was considered terrorism, then millions of Christians would be in prison for it.

Ironically, most of the better know Christian kook leaders that advocate for the death of homosexual are careful to avoid directly calling for it. They coach in fancy phrases where they only mean that they think it should be criminalized in the law books, and then go kill the mother fuckers. See they are law abiding...

 

[Terrell]

If you're going to kill people for being homosexual, is it any different morally if you do it by unlawful means or under the color of law?

I'd be more concerned about any group that wants to harm segments of society they don't like that also have the political savvy to know how to use the system. I think they're harder for society at large to see as villains and rally people to fight against.

 

[Derec]

FYI, their comment about killing homosexuals has nothing to do with why they were arrested. They were arrested for attempting to provide cell phones to IS to be used to detonate terrorist bombs.

True. But it shows that hatred for gays is linked to radical Islamism.

If saying you wanted to kill gays was considered terrorism, then millions of Christians would be in prison for it.

Again with the false equivalence. Christians in say Mississippi do not routinely murder gay people, and certainly not with impunity. But that is commonplace in Islamic countries and the Riley Dennis (the non-passing trans who is a SJW apologist for Islam) video shows some actual footage of crowds of Muslims murdering gays.

 

[J842P]

Again with the false equivalence. Christians in say Mississippi do not routinely murder gay people, and certainly not with impunity. But that is commonplace in Islamic countries and the Riley Dennis (the non-passing trans who is a SJW apologist for Islam) video shows some actual footage of crowds of Muslims murdering gays.

What you say is true but it isn't because Christianity is more benign vis a vis homosexuality, but because secularism and the Enlightenment has neutered Christianity.

And actually, that is only true in Western society where Christianity has been neutered by secularism. Consider many Christian populations in Africa, where a lot of that ideology has been exported, and where homosexuals are very persecuted.

 

[laughing dog]

True. But it shows that hatred for gays

For some reason, Muslim hatred of gays bothers you enough to post about it, but not Christian hate for gays?

Again with the false equivalence. Christians in say Mississippi do not routinely murder gay people, and certainly not with impunity.

Muslims in the USA do not routinely murder gay people either. That would tell something to most people.

 

[Derec]

Muslims in the USA do not routinely murder gay people either. That would tell something to most people.

Have you already forgotten about Omar Mateen?

And Muslims throwing gays off roofs shows what happens when Islamism becomes dominant in a society.

 

[J842P]

Muslims in the USA do not routinely murder gay people either. That would tell something to most people.

Have you already forgotten about Omar Mateen?

And Muslims throwing gays off roofs shows what happens when Islamism becomes dominant in a society.

An instance is not an example of a routine thing. Certainly, Muslims in the West in general are not murdering gays, and *certainly not with impunity*.

 

[Derec]

An instance is not an example of a routine thing. Certainly, Muslims in the West in general are not murdering gays, and *certainly not with impunity*.

Because they are not running the show. When Islam is running a country we get Saudi Arabia, Iran or ISIS.

 

[LordKiran]

An instance is not an example of a routine thing. Certainly, Muslims in the West in general are not murdering gays, and *certainly not with impunity*.

Because they are not running the show. When Islam is running a country we get Saudi Arabia, Iran or ISIS.

I like how Omar is indicative of Muslims in America but every time some angry christian guy murders a black transvestite it's just some anomaly.

 

[Derec]

I like how Omar is indicative of Muslims in America but every time some angry christian guy murders a black transvestite it's just some anomaly.

First, you have to adjust these things according to population shares.
Also, Omar Mateen pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and explicitly declared his actions to be an act of jihad, with himself as the mujaheddin. Did your "angry Christian guy" do or say anything similar? What was the motive? Did he kill the tranny because of his Christian faith? Which case are you talking about anyway?

 

[J842P]

An instance is not an example of a routine thing. Certainly, Muslims in the West in general are not murdering gays, and *certainly not with impunity*.

Because they are not running the show. When Islam is running a country we get Saudi Arabia, Iran or ISIS.

Right, but my main point of contention is that this isn't different than say, Christianity. The Christians are running the show in Uganda, for example. And when Christians were running the show, unfettered by secularism, in the West, then they were just as virulently and murderously anti-homosexual.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Again with the false equivalence. Christians in say Mississippi do not routinely murder gay people, and certainly not with impunity. But that is commonplace in Islamic countries and the Riley Dennis (the non-passing trans who is a SJW apologist for Islam) video shows some actual footage of crowds of Muslims murdering gays.

What you say is true but it isn't because Christianity is more benign vis a vis homosexuality, but because secularism and the Enlightenment has neutered Christianity.

And actually, that is only true in Western society where Christianity has been neutered by secularism. Consider many Christian populations in Africa, where a lot of that ideology has been exported, and where homosexuals are very persecuted.

You are right. The common link seems to be secularism.

 

[LordKiran]

I like how Omar is indicative of Muslims in America but every time some angry christian guy murders a black transvestite it's just some anomaly.

First, you have to normalize these things according to population shares.[1]
Also, Omar Mateen pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and explicitly declared his actions to be an act of jihad, with himself as the mujaheddin.[2] Did your "angry Christian guy" do or say anything similar?[3] Did he kill the tranny because of his Christian faith?[4]Which case are you talking about anyway?[5]

1. No I don't. You didn't.

2. So what?

3. Does it matter?

4. Given that his misgivings against her are the result of his religious teachings, yes.

5. Take your pick from a random allotment. Notice how no two cases at the same and that the killers are different in each case. But all of them are horrible people. You're choosing to focus on one single event in an effort to single out Muslims despite that gay and trans violence and murders come from suspects of all shapes and sizes and beliefs.

http://gothamist.com/2013/12/06/lawyer_argues_transgender_murder_vi.php

http://wisconsingazette.com/2010/12/30/larkins-killer-gets-18-years/

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...capitol-hill-nightclub-sentenced-to-10-years/

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/...ling-of-transgender-woman-in-philippines.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/22/transgender.slaying.trial/#cnnSTCText