Malintent
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That sure would accommodate my innate sense of fairness and justice.. If only it were so.
That is wishful thinking, all the same.
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God is a Dumb Fool?
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That sure would accommodate my innate sense of fairness and justice.. If only it were so.
That is wishful thinking, all the same.
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But Bob not a such a dumb fool, as his name is Bob, forwards, or backwards...still Bob. On the other hand, that other dude just becomes a Dog...
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For once, I would have to agree with you, though I'm not really sure if it is on point...
whats makes god dumb fool?
This was explained in the first post.
Thomas II
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Because people in political power saw that the leaders of those religions could be manipulated and their followers controlled, so religions and political power worked in symbiosis for a loooong time.
Ramaraksha
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Syed - isn't that nice for the criminal? What do you classify as major evil? And what about the victim? Where is his or her justice? Shouldn't it be the victim who should
be deciding?
Seems like your religion is happy to tell you what you want to hear. If you are the victim, they tell you that God will do justice, that criminal will be fried!
But since most of us are not clean, they tell us, don't worry, just repent, God will forgive! How nice!
Talking with both sides of their mouth - telling people what they want to hear
Repentance is the start - not the end. If you repent on your wrongdoings, that is good, but the apology should go to the victim. But ah, here comes the problem, doesn't it?
The victim won't be so eager to forgive - he or she might demand that you go public on what you did - your family, friends everyone will now know what a horrible
person you were. And on top of that the victim will demand compensation!
All that you avoid - the cheap, cowards way out - that is what religion is preaching and you are happy to drink that kool-aid
Where are your morals? ethics? Don't look to religions like this to teach you that
Ramaraksha
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Actually that is what we Hindus preach - that God answers to more than one name. The religion has been misunderstood as having millions of Gods - actually it is millions of names, but One God. A Hindu can pray at a church or a Mosque - makes no difference - or not pray at all or not believe at all - doesn't matter
Being a good human being is what counts, not religion
There is a Hindu story of an Elephant, Gajendra, who was in trouble and called out to God and God hastened to rescue him
The moral of the story is that no names are necessary, religion is not necessary - as the elephant could not speak nor does it belong to any religion
Atheos
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Christianity is so variegated that to say any one thing about it is a fool's errand. The Muslim religion is splintered into sects as well but to my knowledge not nearly as many.
One thing I think they both (for the most part) have in common is that what Syed says above is simply not true. The Christian and Muslim gods care more about how a person thinks than how they act. In each instance if a person "humbles" himself before the respective god the god will forgive nearly any atrocity imaginable. But a person who does not believe in the respective god, no matter how well-behaved that person is in real life, will be punished with eternal torture.
So on this point Syed you are simply wrong. You can rationalize all you like, and perhaps even re-interpret "good human" in terms of "one who believes in and is humble before Allah," but that eliminates the more objective method of separating axe murderers from model citizens.
Ramaraksha
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Basically it is a religion pushing for converts - just like Madoff pushing for new fools. I am amazed that religion has done such a marvelous job of brainwashing that most people don't see it
Happy to make a promise of "our" God is so nice, he will forgive, all one has to do is cry some croc tears of remorse - notice nothing is said about the victim, the victim is absent. In real life, if your kid breaks his friends toy and come crying to you, you don't say "ok you feel bad? go play now" - you say, "go bring your piggybank or you have to buy a replacement toy and it is coming out of your allowance or you get to do chores to pay for the toy" then you go buy a replacement toy and hand it over to his friend with an apology - that is justice
The problem? this way is hard and that is the central problem - religions are in the business of gaining converts much as a Bernie Madoff was about getting new customers - just tell them what they want to hear. And what do people want to hear? You don't have to pay back the victim, just a few tears, takes 2 minutes and you are done - off you go enjoy heaven!
Religions such as these pay lip service to morals and ethics and that's why even good people must end up in hell, because they refuse their conversions, and pedophiles and mass murderers are rewarded if they convert
God has never spoken, has yet to speak. There is no evidence that such a being exists
Just a religion being promoted by humans for their benefit and they seem to have millions of willing participants