Great news! Over 20 dead in Orlando Night Club!

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If the US became a failed state, what do you think groups like that would be doing? They wouldn't be accepting gays into their budding communities and baking apple pie for them...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

you know the "god hates fags" people right?

Idiots! God is quite right to hate fags but the protesters are here in America rather than over in England where people know fags are cigarettes.

 

[dismal]

you know the "god hates fags" people right?

Idiots! God is quite right to hate fags but the protesters are here in America rather than over in England where people know fags are cigarettes.

Wait, are we talking God or God [Arabic]?

 

[repoman]

hah, [] for muslims and ((())) for jews (at least the ones who are for jewish interests and attack white interests - not the cool ones like Ben Shapiro)

 

[Tristan Scott]

....he was a Baptist preacher who used religion to justify his homophobia.

In other words, false equivalence.

Yeah and as always you make a false assertion.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, beggar belief then, because I completely disagree with you. I've known plenty of homophobic atheists.

How does that "phobia" manifest itself ? Do they go gay bashing or criticize their clothes or taste in music ?

 

[Tristan Scott]

Well, beggar belief then, because I completely disagree with you. I've known plenty of homophobic atheists.

How does that "phobia" manifest itself ? Do they go gay bashing or criticize their clothes or taste in music ?

A phobia is a fear, so I guess they are afraid that gay people are going to peek at their wiener in the shower, or hit on them. Or maybe they are insecure in their own sexuality so they over compensate by hating gay people. Regardless, a phobia is a fear, and in my opinion that is at the root of most hatred towards LGBT.

As the little green guy says: fear leads to hatred.

 

[TSwizzle]

How does that "phobia" manifest itself ? Do they go gay bashing or criticize their clothes or taste in music ?

A phobia is a fear, so I guess they are afraid that gay people are going to peek at their wiener in the shower, or hit on them. Or maybe they are insecure in their own sexuality so they over compensate by hating gay people. Regardless, a phobia is a fear, and in my opinion that is at the root of most hatred towards LGBT.

As the little green guy says: fear leads to hatred.

That's a lot of guesswork and male bovine excrement.

 

[Tristan Scott]

A phobia is a fear, so I guess they are afraid that gay people are going to peek at their wiener in the shower, or hit on them. Or maybe they are insecure in their own sexuality so they over compensate by hating gay people. Regardless, a phobia is a fear, and in my opinion that is at the root of most hatred towards LGBT.

As the little green guy says: fear leads to hatred.

That's a lot of guesswork and male bovine excrement.

Support or at least state your position.

 

[TSwizzle]

That's a lot of guesswork and male bovine excrement.

Support or at least state your position.

I asked you a question and you provide nothing but guesswork and bullshit and assert that you know some atheists who have "homophobia".

 

[Tristan Scott]

Support or at least state your position.

I asked you a question and you provide nothing but guesswork and bullshit and assert that you know some atheists who have "homophobia".

Guesswork? I never asked them.

Bullshit? You appear to be very ignorant as to what homophobia is. There are several types of homophobia. The type most people on this thread are referring to is called institutionalized homophobia-that is based on religious beliefs (or in many cases laws against LGBT people). There is also what is known as internalized homophobia, and in some cases social homophobia-these are what I am discussing, and I'm sure you could google them if you with to enlighten yourself.

 

[TSwizzle]

I asked you a question and you provide nothing but guesswork and bullshit and assert that you know some atheists who have "homophobia".

Guesswork? I never asked them.

But you guess (AKA just made shit up) that "they are afraid that gay people are going to peek at their wiener in the shower, or hit on them". Utter tosh.

Bullshit? You appear to be very ignorant as to what homophobia is.

That's why I fucking asked how does "homophobia" manifest in these "homophobic" atheists that you know. But you don't fucking know do you ?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, there's nothing that stops an atheist from being homophobic simply due to a dislike of "others" or something like that, but he really would lose out on any kind of legitimate rationale which he could use to back up his hatred.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, there's nothing that stops an atheist from being homophobic simply due to a dislike of "others" or something like that,

I wouldn't describe a dislike of something as having a phobia.

but he really would lose out on any kind of legitimate rationale which he could use to back up his hatred.

And disliking something is not hatred.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Guesswork? I never asked them.

But you guess (AKA just made shit up) that "they are afraid that gay people are going to peek at their wiener in the shower, or hit on them". Utter tosh.

"I guess" is a figure of speech, which I'm sure you are aware. What isn't clear is why you are continuing this obtuse conversation instead of looking this up and moving on.

Bullshit? You appear to be very ignorant as to what homophobia is.

That's why I fucking asked.

Ok. Then look it up.

 

[TSwizzle]

"I guess" is a figure of speech, which I'm sure you are aware.

So you just made that shit up about these atheists you know that are "homophobic". The ones that you "guess" don't want their weiner looked at etc.

What isn't clear is why you are continuing this obtuse conversation instead of looking this up and moving on.

Fair enough. Jog on.

 

[abaddon]

For those who remember a mostly secular childhood where almost nobody in the neighborhood went to church and no one read or quoted the Bible on much of anything, you know some irreligious kids learn hate of gays, not from religious people or from their irreligious parents but from their irreligious friends. And did those friends learn it from their parents? No, basic xenophobic instincts aren’t learned, they’re innate. Humans fear, and may come to hate, what is different from themselves.

The “kids don’t hate unless they’re taught to” argument treats kids as a blank slate on which culture does all the writing, as if no innate tendencies develop of themselves. A romantic “innocent nature” versus “big bad culture (in the form of that devil, religion)” is going on there.

It might often be that tolerance is what needs to be taught and doesn’t come naturally. Have parents never had to encourage kids to be nicer and less selfish and mean? Didn’t your kids at some point automatically start shrinking from strangers they’d once been so fearless of and need some encouragement to relate better so they didn’t become fearful, withdrawn kids? (And doesn’t the innate “phobia” look like a necessary even if potentially harmful evolutionary adaptation?)

When the teens in my high school went around calling gay people “fags”… and some actually beating the living shit out of the occasional “fag”… it had absolutely nothing to do with God and everything to do with male dominance. They actively sought out weaker people in lesser numbers to make a display of strength; like all groups do, only more violently than most. And the hate was real, not because the gay people weren’t “natural” or favorable to God but because they were so detestably unlike us cool, acceptable people… Scarily different, kinda like Muslims in general are today.

Yes, we hated them because of their music and clothes and lisps and “limp wrists”. Like darkies, they weren’t like us. They didn’t belong in our school and neighborhood.

That’s not “cuz religion”.

I’m not saying religion isn’t a culprit. I’m not even saying it wasn’t the main culprit in Mateen’s case. But if you think it’s the culprit in Mateen’s case then you ought to be specific about Mateen’s life (because truth is entirely in the details) rather than get demogogic about all Muslims. While in some contexts people pick up hate from religion, that doesn’t make all the people of that religion into something you should fear and even hate. The religion’s ideas can be criticized without pulling a fanatical extremist-like stunt that demonizes a whole group of people.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I wouldn't describe a dislike of something as having a phobia.

but he really would lose out on any kind of legitimate rationale which he could use to back up his hatred.

And disliking something is not hatred.

Homophobia isn't actually a phobia, despite the etymology of the word. It's a wide-ranging term which encompasses all sorts of dislikes about and prejudices towards homosexuals. One doesn't really need much more of a reason to hold it beyond being an asshole.

 

[laughing dog]

So you just made that shit up about these atheists you know that are "homophobic". The ones that you "guess" don't want their weiner looked at etc.

What isn't clear is why you are continuing this obtuse conversation instead of looking this up and moving on.

Fair enough. Jog on.

A phobia is a irrational fear of something. It does not require hatred or dislike. I know homophobic atheists. They exhibit their homophobia with nasty epithets.

 

[Derec]

Well that didn't take long. The Orlando shooting is really white people's fault, according to #BlackLivesMatter nutburgers.

Despite the media’s framing of this as a terrorist attack, we are very clear that this terror is completely homegrown, born from the anti-Black white supremacy, patriarchy and homophobia of the conservative right and of those who would use religious extremism as a weapon to gain power for the few and take power from the rest. Those who seek to profit from our deaths hope we will forget who our real enemy is, and blame Muslim communities instead.

"Real enemy" being white, heterosexual, non-Muslim cis-gendered males presumably.
And of course the obligatory reference to ...

Homegrown terror is the product of a long history of colonialism, including state and vigilante violence. It is the product of white supremacy and capitalism, which deforms the spirit and fuels interpersonal violence. We especially hold space for our Latinx family now, knowing that the vast majority of those murdered were Latinx, and many were specifically Puerto Rican. From the forced migration of thousands of young people from the island of Puerto Rico to Orlando, to the deadly forced migration throughout Latin America and the Caribbean — we know this is not the first time in history our families have been mowed down with malice, and we stand with you.

Latinx? A Latin lynx or what?
Also what's this nonsense about "forced migration" of young people?
Also, blaming capitalism. Because socialism is working out so well.

We will fight for you. We will not allow our movement to be dominated by white progressives that still attempt to define our solutions and limit our leadership. We will not allow the vision to be stunted by a gun control agenda with neither racial context nor a clear history of the relationship between white supremacy and guns in the United States. Yes, there is value in gun control and a ban on assault rifles, but it is not the complete answer. You cannot decry guns without also decrying how those guns were used to take Native land, to enslave Black bodies, to remake “Latin America”, and to redefine the western hemisphere. We need more than legislation, more than vigils and prayers, more than donations — we need a deep transformation at the cellular levels of this nation. And we’re here for it. All of it.

The "complete answer" is presumably to blame white people for everything, even for a massacre that an Islamist from Afghanistan did.
In Honor of Our Dead: Latinx, Queer, Trans, Muslim, Black — We Will Be Free | En Honor a Nuestros Muertos: Latinx, Queer, Trans, Musulmanes, Negros – Seremos Libres
Un-fucking-believable!