Guest lecturer at Yale fantasizes about shooting white people in the head

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

a source of constant trauma for non-whites to be forced to listen to.

What does "forced" mean in this context?

It means the same thing as the definition in the bakers thread since her occupation was dependent upon working white people but even more so since trans persons are pretty uncommon but white persons seeking a psychiatrist and that have access and ability to pay are very common. Therefore, if there is justification for using that word in the baker thread, there is EVEN MORE justification for using it here, which is exactly why I did, for the same claimers that the usage of that definition was valid are present in this thread.

 

[laughing dog]

It's a disgusting perspective, but it is completely in line with the thinking of somebody whose perspective has been callously deranged by critical theory.

The entire talk is here, with an additional interview appended:
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-psychopathic-problem-of-the-white

Khilanani thinks the origin of white suffering is racism, a direct denial of the shared humanity of all people. A couple choice snippets from the lecture and interview:



Exactly how Khilanani has determined this, given she has cut out nearly all white people from her life, is not clear. But I can tell Khilanani I do not suffer 'white guilt'. She is thinking of white guilt progressives and nobody else.

Did you listen to the whole speech, or are you relying on quotes provided by others to inform your view?

Also, how is saying the origin of white suffering is racism a direct denial of the shared humanity of all people? Do you think she's saying that only white people suffer from racism?

No: she is saying that white people's problems are because of their guilt from perpetrating past and present racism and "colonialism".

She is not saying that is their only source of issues.

This is a disgusting perspective. When my father and brother died, I was not suffering grief because of racism or anything. I was suffering from the fact of their deaths.

Will you explain why you think that rebuts her generaiization about white people?

I don't agree with everything she said, but I get the part about how many white people really cannot talk about racism without getting upset or defensive.

 

[untermensche]

A fleeting thought is not racism.

Racism is what Republicans are doing all over the nation.

Trying to make it harder for black people to vote.

It hurts some poor white people too.

Republicans don't like the poor much either.

She didn't have "fleeting" thoughts. She has restructured her life to cut out nearly all white people from friendship.

Shooting somebody was a fleeting thought.

Did she do it?

 

[Metaphor]

She is not saying that is their only source of issues.

I quoted the part of the interview with her from which I drew my conclusion. The only problem she mentions whites having are 'in their own mind', whereas non-white people have (presumably more pressing) externally-caused problems to contend with.

She doesn't mention external-locus problems for whites. Now, despite her multiple reassurances that she always centres her clients in therapy, I would not choose her as a therapist. She would perceive me as white and act accordingly.

Will you explain why you think that rebuts her generaiization about white people?

Grief is not a product of white 'colonial' guilt or 'believing a lie' about it. The grief did not arise because of my whiteness.

I don't agree with everything she said, but I get the part about how many white people really cannot talk about racism without getting upset or defensive.

The statement is gaslighting. It is normal to become upset and defend yourself when people accuse you of falsehoods.

Khilanani believes white people are neurotic because they have believed colonial lies about their own greatness (for example, according to her, whites discovered nothing but stole everything from POC). The thing is, I do see white people around me who actually do believe this, and perhaps those "colonial lies" cause some white people to make themselves neurotic and perhaps Khilanani is right about the etiology of this neurosis.

But there are white people (myself included) who do not feel any "colonial guilt", partly because my ancestors tend to be from areas that were colonised, but mostly because, even if I did have the kind of ethnic heritage tying me to a State that colonised in the past, I simply do not believe I have any blame for actions taken before I was born.

 

[Metaphor]

A fleeting thought is not racism.

Racism is what Republicans are doing all over the nation.

Trying to make it harder for black people to vote.

It hurts some poor white people too.

Republicans don't like the poor much either.

She didn't have "fleeting" thoughts. She has restructured her life to cut out nearly all white people from friendship.

Shooting somebody was a fleeting thought.

Did she do it?

Presumably she didn't, else she'd have balls of fucking steel to publically confess as fantasy an act that was actually a murder. That would be a 1990s erotic thriller level twist.

 

[untermensche]

Presumably she didn't, else she'd have balls of fucking steel to publically confess as fantasy an act that was actually a murder. That would be a 1990s erotic thriller level twist.

So it was a meaningless fleeting thought.

A bunch of crying about NOTHING!

 

[Metaphor]

Presumably she didn't, else she'd have balls of fucking steel to publically confess as fantasy an act that was actually a murder. That would be a 1990s erotic thriller level twist.

So it was a meaningless fleeting thought.

A bunch of crying about NOTHING!

There was nothing fleeting about it, as you have already been told. Neither is continual, murderous negative thoughts about an entire race 'meaningless'.

I cannot imagine this woman as a psychoanalyst to white people. If a doctor of any description publically volunteered that she hates white people, has thoughts about murdering them, and has eliminated 99% of white people from her friend group, I would change my doctor. Your mileage may vary.

 

[untermensche]

Presumably she didn't, else she'd have balls of fucking steel to publically confess as fantasy an act that was actually a murder. That would be a 1990s erotic thriller level twist.

So it was a meaningless fleeting thought.

A bunch of crying about NOTHING!

There was nothing fleeting about it, as you have already been told. Neither is continual, murderous negative thoughts about an entire race 'meaningless'.

I cannot imagine this woman as a psychoanalyst to white people. If a doctor of any description publically volunteered that she hates white people, has thoughts about murdering them, and has eliminated 99% of white people from her friend group, I would change my doctor. Your mileage may vary.

Your blabbering is amusing.

You think thoughts mean something in a society built upon institutional and legal racism.

It is also a society with hatred towards the poor too.

 

[Metaphor]

There was nothing fleeting about it, as you have already been told. Neither is continual, murderous negative thoughts about an entire race 'meaningless'.

I cannot imagine this woman as a psychoanalyst to white people. If a doctor of any description publically volunteered that she hates white people, has thoughts about murdering them, and has eliminated 99% of white people from her friend group, I would change my doctor. Your mileage may vary.

Your blabbering is amusing.

You think thoughts mean something in a society built upon institutional and legal racism.

It is also a society with hatred towards the poor too.

Thank you for your valued input.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You think thoughts mean something in a society built upon institutional and legal racism.

Exactly. It was a good idea for you to compare things to the Thought Police around here. On the one hand, a minority has a fleeting thought of rage due to constant traumatic racism and on the other hand, the very people complaining about the fleeting thought are engaging in exactly some of the behaviors she had said were causing her constant trauma: gaslighting and false equivalence. She's not insane for having a fleeting thought of rage but instead a normal human, but she can't be a normal human because of the way she is treated and if she is open about it, even that is used across white culture as a tool to continue to make her less than everyone else. She can't even say, "Okay, I'm at a point of rage so I am going to just temporarily stop dealing with white people until I can have peace of mind," because it's STILL used against her in a false equivalence calling it racism and bringing it to the forefront of white activism at the Daily Mail, facebook, the NY Post, and other mass and social media.

 

[Metaphor]

You think thoughts mean something in a society built upon institutional and legal racism.

Exactly. It was a good idea for you to compare things to the Thought Police around here. On the one hand, a minority has a fleeting thought of rage due to constant traumatic racism and on the other hand, the very people complaining about the fleeting thought are engaging in exactly some of the behaviors she had said were causing her constant trauma: gaslighting and false equivalence. She's not insane for having a fleeting thought of rage but instead a normal human, but she can't be a normal human because of the way she is treated and if she is open about it, even that is used across white culture as a tool to continue to make her less than everyone else. She can't even say, "Okay, I'm at a point of rage so I am going to just temporarily stop dealing with white people until I can have peace of mind," because it's STILL used against her in a false equivalence calling it racism and bringing it to the forefront of white activism at the Daily Mail, facebook, the NY Post, and other mass and social media.

The anti-white thoughts were not fleeting. Stop gaslighting people.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The anti-white thoughts were not fleeting. Stop gaslighting people.

Both untermensche and I have said the fantasy was a fleeting thought several times. Right? Don't accuse me of gaslighting when you pretend what I wrote is different than reality.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The anti-white thoughts were not fleeting. Stop gaslighting people.

Both untermensche and I have said the fantasy was a fleeting thought several times. Right? Don't accuse me of gaslighting when you pretend what I wrote is different than reality.

During her many years of hating white people, she didn't fleetingly thing only one time of shooting them. Her own words say this wasn't just a brief moment of less than a second that occurred several years ago. Stop fiddling with the gas lights.

 

[untermensche]

The anti-white thoughts were not fleeting. Stop gaslighting people.

Both untermensche and I have said the fantasy was a fleeting thought several times. Right? Don't accuse me of gaslighting when you pretend what I wrote is different than reality.

During her many years of hating white people, she didn't fleetingly thing only one time of shooting them. Her own words say this wasn't just a brief moment of less than a second that occurred several years ago. Stop fiddling with the gas lights.

It is sad what a society built by racists filled with racists did to this poor woman.

 

[Metaphor]

The anti-white thoughts were not fleeting. Stop gaslighting people.

Both untermensche and I have said the fantasy was a fleeting thought several times. Right? Don't accuse me of gaslighting when you pretend what I wrote is different than reality.

Non. The fantasy was not a fleeting thought. Khilanani said, inter alia

• This is the cost of talking to white people at all. The cost of your own life, as they suck you dry. There are no good apples out there. White people make my blood boil. (Time stamp: 6:45)

• I had fantasies of unloading a revolver into the head of any white person that got in my way, burying their body, and wiping my bloody hands as I walked away relatively guiltless with a bounce in my step. Like I did the world a fucking favor. (Time stamp: 7:17)

"White people make (note the present tense) my blood boil".

"I had fantasies"--note the plural.

This woman was trained by critical theory to feel nothing but irrational and severe hatred for white people. In a sense, though, the irrational part isn't necessary for this woman to be a menace to her patients. Even justified hatred of white people should preclude her from taking care of the mental health of white people.

If a white psychiatrist expressed hatred of PoC and fantasized about killing them, I'd say she had proven herself unsuitable to minister to the mental health of PoC.

 

[untermensche]

Yeah. The woman has encountered too much racism and too many racists.

A lot of black people talk about this.

It has made her irrational and hateful.

She is a victim.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

During her many years of hating white people, she didn't fleetingly thing only one time of shooting them. Her own words say this wasn't just a brief moment of less than a second that occurred several years ago. Stop fiddling with the gas lights.

It is sad what a society built by racists filled with racists did to this poor woman.

She IS a racist.

Yeah. The woman has encountered too much racism and too many racists.

A lot of black people talk about this.

It has made her irrational and hateful.

She is a victim.

No, she's a racist.

I know, you cannot acknowledge when a minority is a racist. I can though, and because of the color of my skin you aren't allowed to tell me that I'm wrong. By your own rules that would make you racist.

 

[JohnG]

These institutions, Yale, Harvard, regularly like to feature radical, or at least polarizing speakers - right wingers too - because the controversy attracts attention to their institutions.

 

[untermensche]

Perhaps.

She is a victim of widespread institutional white racism and a society filled with white racists.

That is what she mostly is.

Take away white racism and she is not twisted into a racist.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Non. The fantasy was not a fleeting thought. Khilanani said, inter alia

• This is the cost of talking to white people at all. The cost of your own life, as they suck you dry. There are no good apples out there. White people make my blood boil. (Time stamp: 6:45)

• I had fantasies of unloading a revolver into the head of any white person that got in my way, burying their body, and wiping my bloody hands as I walked away relatively guiltless with a bounce in my step. Like I did the world a fucking favor. (Time stamp: 7:17)

"White people make (note the present tense) my blood boil".

"I had fantasies"--note the plural.

This woman was trained by critical theory to feel nothing but irrational and severe hatred for white people. In a sense, though, the irrational part isn't necessary for this woman to be a menace to her patients. Even justified hatred of white people should preclude her from taking care of the mental health of white people.

If a white psychiatrist expressed hatred of PoC and fantasized about killing them, I'd say she had proven herself unsuitable to minister to the mental health of PoC.

Okay, then, fanatasies (plural). Big correction! So several fleeting thoughts. No plans. No reality. You are the very thought police you argue against constantly when it comes to Nazis who LITERALLY REALLY make plans for assassinations. Still a false equivalence. Also, her words only cause you suffering because you let them. They only trigger you because you are being a snowflake about it. If you chelax, they have zero impact on your life except how the Daily Mail likes to get you all riled up and ready for white activism.

Here she is on the false equivalence (from the op article):

'When I'm breaking this down psychologically, what they're saying on some level is like, 'We need things to be the same. If you can say 'white,' we can say 'Asian'.

'Psychologically, they're actually making a false equivalence. What they're doing psychologically is obliterating the difference between white and Asian, and if you obliterate the difference there's no f**king problem here so shut up, you're the real racist. That's how it functions psychologically.'

We see this false equivalence over and over in the thread.