Guns Don't Kill People, ... But Badger Guns Guns Do.

[AthenaAwakened]

Remember the NRA's favorite slogan? The one that goes, "Gun don't kill people, people kill people?" Well a jury in Milwaukee decided that it was the gun, in this case a gun sold to one jerk who actually bought it for another jerk who then pulled it out and shot two Milwaukee cops back in 2009. Luckily the cops lived, even though they sustained serious injuries; the shooter's sitting in a cage for the next 80 years or so. As for the guy who bought the gun, he got two years for participating in a "straw sale."

Coincidentally, the very same day of the verdict, the Democratic presidential candidates spent nine minutes of their first debate sparring about gun control, and I noticed that Shlump Trump didn't mention this segment of the debate at all in the snarky comments he kept sending out to his infantile fan club. The nation's Number One Clown may "love" the 2nd Amendment, but the Milwaukee verdict tells a much different tale when it comes to how the average American thinks about guns.

I wasn't in the courtroom so what I know about the trial is second-hand, but the charge against the gun shop, Badger Guns, was that the store was "negligent" in selling the gun to someone who was buying it for someone else, and this negligence then led to the shooting of the cops. Prosecutors charged that the shop employee should have known that he was engaging in a "straw" sale because the buyer kept making mistakes as he filled out the 4473, even at first stating that he was not the "actual" buyer of the gun, and that no attempt was made to verify the straw buyer's real address.

The defense claimed, on the other hand, that the gun shop was "set up" because the straw buyer and the real buyer had conspired to deceive the store regarding the true identity of the person who would ultimately receive the gun. In effect, the store was duped; hence, no negligence on its part in the later shooting of the cops. This gun shop, incidentally, has been on the radar screen for a long time, having been the source of more than 500 crime guns in one year alone.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/badger-guns-verdict_b_8297604.html

 

[DBT]

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has an attitude problem in relation to guns, which is reflected as the so called 'gun problem.'

Address the former and the latter ceases to be a problem...which at the same time addresses a host of other social problems associated with anger management and problem resolution.

 

[funinspace]

The US also may have a growing religious attitude problem with guns. I just saw the below nutter interpretation of one of the 'Jesus' quotes from one of our tea bagging, redneck relatives on FaceButt:

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Okay, so Jesus demand his disciples to buy two swords to protect against the cops coming to arrest him

 

[braces_for_impact]

It's a SIN problem remember? Every single problem we have as a society traces back to this. (Good gawd, that's awful even for a deepity.)

 

[Keith&Co.]

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If I remember right, we're also commanded to have a purse?

 

[funinspace]

If I remember right, we're also commanded to have a purse?

Yeah, and it calls for a sword, not a freaking gun. It could be fun walking around with a man purse and a samurai sword.

The God-breathed crowd is pretty funny, in how they pick and choose in the cafeteria line.

 

[Malintent]

The US also may have a growing religious attitude problem with guns. I just saw the below nutter interpretation of one of the 'Jesus' quotes from one of our tea bagging, redneck relatives on FaceButt:

ummmm... that's not a sword.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The US also may have a growing religious attitude problem with guns. I just saw the below nutter interpretation of one of the 'Jesus' quotes from one of our tea bagging, redneck relatives on FaceButt:

How do you get that as being a nutter interpretation? When I look up Luke 22:36 that's what I find.

 

[prideandfall]

How do you get that as being a nutter interpretation? When I look up Luke 22:36 that's what I find.

firstly i'd like to point out the irony of the right wing religious types being the ones that don't understand anything in the bible.

secondly: put in context with the passages around it, this wasn't an instruction to get armed - it was jesus telling his pack of hobos to have enough weapons on hand that he (jesus) could be legitimately charged with being the leader of a band of brigands, which would get him processed through the criminal system once he was arrested, and thus get him executed.
it's all about the whole "fulfilling prophecy" crap the bible constantly refers to, because stupid people are thoroughly convinced that a book is prophetic if it accurate predicts something in earlier chapter that then happens in a later chapter.

so in summation, the passage means "get some weapons on hand so we look like a gang and i can get executed" - gogo gadget actually reading the stupid fucking fantasy novel.

 

[funinspace]

Context, context, context ...

How do you get that as being a nutter interpretation? When I look up Luke 22:36 that's what I find.

firstly i'd like to point out the irony of the right wing religious types being the ones that don't understand anything in the bible.

secondly: put in context with the passages around it, this wasn't an instruction to get armed - it was jesus telling his pack of hobos to have enough weapons on hand that he (jesus) could be legitimately charged with being the leader of a band of brigands, which would get him processed through the criminal system once he was arrested, and thus get him executed.
it's all about the whole "fulfilling prophecy" crap the bible constantly refers to, because stupid people are thoroughly convinced that a book is prophetic if it accurate predicts something in earlier chapter that then happens in a later chapter.

so in summation, the passage means "get some weapons on hand so we look like a gang and i can get executed" - gogo gadget actually reading the stupid fucking fantasy novel.

Yep, that is one part of the reality as verses 37 and 38 clarify (never mind picking up something like the conservative New Bible Commentary which also makes it clear that this isn’t about supporting self-defense dribble).

And preceding that verse, Jesus makes it clear they don’t need anything extra:
Luke 22:35 And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.”

The below event comes purportedly some number of hours later (never mind the dozen or so NT verses also commending what is effectively a pacifist stance):
Matt: 26:51-53 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. 52Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53“Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

The article from which I bumped into the pic has some more words on the matter:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/no-jesus-didnt-command-we-own-weapons/

To arrive at the position that Jesus endorses violence as a result of Luke 22:36 is almost as bad as saying that Jesus endorses adultery because of John 8:11.

 

[AthenaAwakened]