Happy Festivus and Kwanzaa, and other ersatz holidays

[arkirk]

Oh what fun...

http://townhall.com/columnists/annc...he-holiday-brought-to-you-by-the-fbi-n1935693
Thing is, at least Festivus is a lot more fun and just as "historical".

maxparrish, why do you expect us to take seriously that trollish nonsense? Do you realize what it makes you seem like?


I think that Kwanzaa is a made-up, pseudo-African holiday, but it's no worse than moving Jesus Christ's birthday to the Winter Solstice. It doesn't exactly say "Enslave the honkies!"

BTW, Ann Coulter's statement about who celebrates Kwanzaa is demonstrably false, as one can easily discover. I think that she ought to be presumed to be a liar because of that, if nothing else. If she claims that she has a right to make statements that she ought to have researched, then it's legitimate to insinuate that she longs for the days when she could own some black people and whip them just for the fun of it.

You really need to be checking our your holidays to make sure they meet Ann Coulters requirements for true legitimacy.


If it can be laundered of any connection to Africa. Got it?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

It is a clear sign of rasicm.

Being called a racist isn't nearly as fulfilling as practicing racism or benefiting from it, so the behavior stays just punctuated with a great deal of denial and code words.

 

[maxparrish]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies. You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist. And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies. You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist. And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

Max, what are you babbling about?

 

[Jarhyn]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies. You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist. And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

So a holiday must be 'real' for people to find real value in it, then? There is no such thing as a 'real' holiday. We made all of them up. Every last fucking one. They're all fabrications. There was no real Jesus, so it's really hard for him to have a birthday. There was never a Saturn (the God, mind you) so there was never really a Saturnalia. The solstice is just a position our planet takes in space. There never was a Cruxifiction so there isn't really an 'easter', and the spring equinox is als just a relative position of things in space. Thanksgiving is based around an anachronism, and again Halloween is a celebration of yet another relative positioning of objects in space.

None of them have any significance, other than the significance we invent for them. NONE. OF. THEM. And fuck anyone who says a day of hedonism is unnecessary or unwanted. We all need to let loose on occasion, and those of us who don't do any such 'letting loose' are massive douchecunt losers, who should probably just kill themselves and put themselves out of our misery. Holidays are contrived, fabricated excuses to have fun and admit things to ourselves that we normally don't. That we're weak and that we appreciate having others to lean on. That we enjoy getting drunk and doing some nonsensical things. That we enjoy when people give us things, and how much we enjoy giving other people things. That we enjoy pretending to be things we currently are not. That we enjoy being with friends, who are often our family.

 

[Davka]

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies. You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist. And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

Max, what are you babbling about?

Allow me to translate:

"Black holiday bad! Dead black leader good."

 

[semiopen]

I haven't read all the posts as usual, but I don't think anyone has mentioned  Nittel_Nach.

This is also called Kratzmach but google is unforgiving about misspellings in this case.

Nittel Nacht: No Sex, No Torah, Just Fear Of Evil Spiritual Forces Associated With Jesus

This is probably one of the main reasons for the widespread Jewish custom of eating Chinese food on Xmas Eve.

At least it's better than Chanukah in many significant ways.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

So here is my main issue with this:
If not racism, why would someone who doesn't practice Kwanzaa care enough about the holiday to write or post lies about it?

And for the people who support Coulter's article, how do you feel about Boxing Day, Hmong New Year, Canada Day, Cinco de Mayo, Traditional May Day, and all the other holidays that are celebrated by other American groups? Because they only two holidays I see constantly criticized are Kwanzaa and Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Why is that not a clear sign of a racist?

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that YOU are the one taking Kwanzaa seriously?

But then:

You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist.

I'm not sure what Martin Luther King, Jr. has to do with the holiday. Who are these people you are referring to?

And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

I have no idea what you are telling here above this does not sound like Kwanzaa. Could you elaborate?

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

What don't they qualify for?

 

[maxparrish]

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies. You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist. And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

The Cinco de Mayo and St. Patty's day just don't qualify.

So a holiday must be 'real' for people to find real value in it, then? There is no such thing as a 'real' holiday. We made all of them up. Every last fucking one. They're all fabrications. There was no real Jesus, so it's really hard for him to have a birthday. There was never a Saturn (the God, mind you) so there was never really a Saturnalia. The solstice is just a position our planet takes in space. There never was a Cruxifiction so there isn't really an 'easter', and the spring equinox is als just a relative position of things in space. Thanksgiving is based around an anachronism, and again Halloween is a celebration of yet another relative positioning of objects in space.

None of them have any significance, other than the significance we invent for them. NONE. OF. THEM. And fuck anyone who says a day of hedonism is unnecessary or unwanted. We all need to let loose on occasion, and those of us who don't do any such 'letting loose' are massive douchecunt losers, who should probably just kill themselves and put themselves out of our misery. Holidays are contrived, fabricated excuses to have fun and admit things to ourselves that we normally don't. That we're weak and that we appreciate having others to lean on. That we enjoy getting drunk and doing some nonsensical things. That we enjoy when people give us things, and how much we enjoy giving other people things. That we enjoy pretending to be things we currently are not. That we enjoy being with friends, who are often our family.

To the contrary it's not that a "a holiday must be 'real' for people to find real value in it...", but people ought to acknowledge it's value (and normative values) before they take it as real, before they dedicate a week of serious minded mumbo jumbo to a recently contrived, fast food, "African" ritual. I am sure some folks find Scientology, necromancy, voodoo, bead rattling, crystal gazing, bone throwing, and the reading of chicken entrails to be "of value", but that does not make them immune to mockery.

And at least Jesus's reputed teachings comes from an oral and written tradition (and he was most likely real and was crucified), the spring equinox is real, and Thanksgiving is based on a real event. These holidays, whatever their merit, were not constructed out of utter nonsense from the mind of a single quasi-loon.

And you missed my point - I am not criticizing holidays because they can be a time for hedonism, I am finding values in holidays that AT LEAST are great days for hedonism. St. Pats and Cinco De Mayo have their faults, but at least most don't take it seriously and they are great holiday's for us drinkers.

 

[maxparrish]

Perhaps because there are those who take Kwanzaa seriously, so much so they actually believe the truths about the ersatz holiday to be lies.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that YOU are the one taking Kwanzaa seriously?

But then:

You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist.

I'm not sure what Martin Luther King, Jr. has to do with the holiday. Who are these people you are referring to?

The poster asked why, other than racism, might someone criticize Kwanzaa. I said that perhaps (we do so) because Kwanzaa is taken so seriously that even when a truth is presented, the supporters of Kwanzaa call it a lie. And when the same kind of fellow (poster) lumps criticism of Kwanzaa to be the same as criticism of MLK (as a holiday), then that person has no sense of the difference of the values between a fake ritual rooted in separatism/racism and a historic personage rooted in integration and non-racism.

And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

I have no idea what you are telling here above this does not sound like Kwanzaa. Could you elaborate?

That is the point, to be worthy of mockery a holiday, must be more than foolish, it must lack the merit of inebriated and mindless hedonism. You are correct, Kwanzaa is useless.

 

[laughing dog]

And at least Jesus's reputed teachings comes from an oral and written tradition (and he was most likely real and was crucified), the spring equinox is real, and Thanksgiving is based on a real event. These holidays, whatever their merit, were not constructed out of utter nonsense from the mind of a single quasi-loon.

So, according to you, legitimate holidays are those which are constructed out of utter nonsense from the minds of many quasi-loons.

A

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that YOU are the one taking Kwanzaa seriously?

But then:

You know, the kind of folk that would not know the difference between a real personage of great historical accomplishment (MLK) and a fake "African" holiday inspired by a black separatist/racist.

I'm not sure what Martin Luther King, Jr. has to do with the holiday. Who are these people you are referring to?

The poster asked why, other than racism, might someone criticize Kwanzaa. I said that perhaps (we do so) because Kwanzaa is taken so seriously that even when a truth is presented, the supporters of Kwanzaa call it a lie. And when the same kind of fellow (poster) lumps criticism of Kwanzaa to be the same as criticism of MLK (as a holiday), then that person has no sense of the difference of the values between a fake ritual rooted in separatism/racism and a historic personage rooted in integration and non-racism.

And besides, one should be selective - the holiday mocked ought to be a fake cultural artifact, it ought to be taken seriously by liberal (white) multiculturalists, and finally it must be utterly worthless as a day of inebriated and mindless hedonism.

I have no idea what you are telling here above this does not sound like Kwanzaa. Could you elaborate?

That is the point, to be worthy of mockery a holiday, must be more than foolish, it must lack the merit of inebriated and mindless hedonism. You are correct, Kwanzaa is useless.

I generally save my mockery for things and people more influential than a holiday, but then again mine is a higher grade and standard of mockery.