Harry and Meghan on Oprah

[DrZoidberg]

I think he was. I think he was privately asked not so politely to resign or be fired. He chose the least humiliating option.

I think he was told to make a public apology and he told them to shove it.

Its a good theory. But essentially the same though. For him

 

[TSwizzle]

And now CBS in the USA has suspended The View after Sharon Osborne voiced her support for Morgan on the show and had a terse exchange with one of the co hosts. I guess you’re just not allowed to criticize Meghan.

The world's support for royalty is baffling. I don't get it.

It is beyond baffling. Why did Spotify and Netflix pay Harry and Meghan a shitload of cash for their dopey podcast? Is there really that much of a demand to listen to that insufferable pair ? I really don’t get it either.

 

[Swammerdami]

Imprisoned? I had assumed, from the melodrama,*snip

Whilst being equally "uninterested about the whole thing". The OP is the living embodiment of Schrodinger's stupidity.

This is a new term for me. Are you saying that OP simultaneously holds two contradictory, but equally stupid, ideas?


Or is it a play on the emotional scene near the end of the famous Nicholson-Dunaway movie?

Republican: I'm a liar!
. . . [Jake slaps her]
Republican: I'm a moron!
. . . [Jake slaps her again]
Republican: I'm a liar!
. . . [Jake slaps her a 3rd time]
Republican: I'm a liar and a moron!
. . . [Republican weeps uncontrollably]​

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I skimmed a couple of posts in this thread including part of the op. I don't have anything to write about this.

 

[Patooka]

Imprisoned? I had assumed, from the melodrama,*snip

Whilst being equally "uninterested about the whole thing". The OP is the living embodiment of Schrodinger's stupidity.

This is a new term for me. Are you saying that OP simultaneously holds two contradictory, but equally stupid, ideas?

Pretty much. In this instance, complaining about censorship and Royal Entitlement whilst at the same alleging one doesn't care care about any of it.

 

[steve_bank]

A couple of airhead dilettantes. I feel sorry for the kids, theya will have no chance of a normal life.

 

[TSwizzle]

A couple of airhead dilettantes. I feel sorry for the kids, theya will have no chance of a normal life.

"Normal life" is overrated. The Sussexes' kids will live a very privileged life. But at least it won't be white privilege.

 

[steve_bank]

A couple of airhead dilettantes. I feel sorry for the kids, theya will have no chance of a normal life.

"Normal life" is overrated. The Sussexes' kids will live a very privileged life. But at least it won't be white privilege.

Ending up like Harry and grand dad Chuck. Harry is the classic unhappy rich kid. He talks and acts like a teenager. A biracial woman probably fulfills a British royal fantasy.

 

[JohnG]

Dont care about the royals stuff...but...

This is a classic "cancel culture" example:

1. Right Wing Mouthpiece spews trash
2. Gets called out
3. Quits in disgust
4. Complains about free speech

I see a recurring theme here.

 

[TSwizzle]

Wow, yet more fall out. After ten years on The View, Sharon Osborne has been squeezed out for defending Piers Morgan.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Wow, yet more fall out. After ten years on The View, Sharon Osborne has been squeezed out for defending Piers Morgan.

I think what we need is for funding to be cut off from public service. Let them all be on equal footing on YouTube

 

[TSwizzle]

Wow, yet more fall out. After ten years on The View, Sharon Osborne has been squeezed out for defending Piers Morgan.

I think what we need is for funding to be cut off from public service. Let them all be on equal footing on YouTube

Well certainly for the BBC.


Well, well, well;

Piers Morgan's ITV colleagues and a string of respected broadcasters today hailed Ofcom's ruling confirming his right to free speech after the watchdog dismissed 57,000 complaints about his criticism of Meghan Markle including not 'believing a word' she told Oprah Winfrey. The Duchess of Sussex, 40, was among the people who went to the TV regulator after an orchestrated social media campaign spearheaded by the MailOnline columnist's 'woke' critics including several Labour MPs, who accused him of racism, sexism and mocking suicide. But this morning Mr Morgan was completely cleared of breaching Britain's broadcasting code and Ofcom called attempts to silence him a 'chilling restriction on freedom of expression'. Senior British journalists have declared that the judgment meant a 'pillar of our freedom' in the UK had been 'reinforced'.

DailyMail

 

[Patooka]

Piers Morgan quit on his own volition. Fuck him. Once again TSwizzle is showing his inability to see the difference between freedom of speech and immunity from consequences. And of course, TSwizzle is deliberately omitting key points of the finding such as:

"We were particularly concerned about Mr Morgan's approach to such an important and serious issue and his apparent disregard for the seriousness of anyone expressing suicidal thoughts," it said.

or that ITV is under no obligation to give the cunt back his job.
or that Ofcom ruled that the show didn't breach it rule because of the immediate push back against Piers Morgan's asinine views:

It is because of the programme's editorial decisions and the opposing views which were forcefully expressed by other presenters and guests, that the programme did not breach Ofcom's rules.

I've said it before and it's worth repeating; anyone stupid enough to quote the Daily Mail is at best providing only half the story.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Piers Morgan quit on his own volition. Fuck him. Once again TSwizzle is showing his inability to see the difference between freedom of speech and immunity from consequences. And of course, TSwizzle is deliberately omitting key points of the finding such as:

Piers Morgan quit on his own volition in the same way as CEO's resign for "family reasons".

Or perhaps you think that people who do things because they have a gun to their heads only have themselves to blame?

Piers Morgan was as harmless, vanilla and mainstream as you can get. If even he got kicked out for offending the tastes of the public, it's not a good sign for the state of the world.

See you at the next witch burning.

 

[Patooka]

Poor Piers Morgan. Beloved by so many. Fuck the cunt. And if he wanted to keep his job he could have. He simply gambled the publicity surrounding his walk out would benefit him and didn't realise how much he is despised by the general public. That's on him.

You know, that whole "consequences" thing "free speech" advocates never seem to quite understand.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So a professional talker got in trouble for saying dickish things.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Poor Piers Morgan. Beloved by so many. Fuck the cunt. And if he wanted to keep his job he could have. He simply gambled the publicity surrounding his walk out would benefit him and didn't realise how much he is despised by the general public. That's on him.

You know, that whole "consequences" thing "free speech" advocates never seem to quite understand.

Do you want to live in a world where everybody on TV only talks about the weather? Don't we want people who speak in public to be edgy, cutting and interesting?

There's an expression among comedians which is something like "The price we pay for being able to speak the truth is that nobody takes us seriously". That's the world we are living in today. Don't you want people on TV to be able to be honest?

My problem with pre-secular Christian Europe is that nobody could ever be honest about everything. Public life was a theatre. Everybody had to pretend to be something they were not. And if they ever made the mistake about being a bit authentic they'd be burned at the stake. This all changed with secularism. A steady rise of allowed public honesty and honest public debate. It's still on the way towards the peak. At no point before in human history have humanity (all of humanity) been more free to speak their minds. And this is a right we've been fighting for ever since the French Revolution.

What I think you are arguing for is a step backward.

When I watch porn I don't want to see things that I would do at home. I want them to do gross and horrific things that would be too much for me. It's the same with talking heads on TV. I want them to say extreme and outrageous things that pushes the limits of public taste. That's where it gets interesting.

That's the kind of guy Piers Morgan was IMHO. I like that he's a dickish ass. I dislike Jeremy Clarkson, but like to see him talk.

All I demand from people on TV is that they're interesting. Hence I haven't watched TV (other than clips on Youtube) since the 90'ies.

I think polite society is still too Christian for my tastes. I want it to be more fun. I'm not preening for a lost golden age. That golden age has never existed. But I'd like to make it happen at some point.

 

[Patooka]

Do you want to live in a world where everybody on TV only talks about the weather? Don't we want people who speak in public to be edgy, cutting and interesting?

Yes I do. Because clearly having consequences to actions will always lead to an emotionless Orwellian society. There is no other alternative.

There's an expression among comedians which is something like "The price we pay for being able to speak the truth is that nobody takes us seriously". That's the world we are living in today. Don't you want people on TV to be able to be honest?

They can do that without being a cunt. Not only that, you appear to be advocating nobody in the media is allowed to be fired ever. And not only that, Pier Morgan resigned in what was clearly a publicity stunt and miscalculated how much he is despised. Once again - consequences. I hate to break it to you, but you appear to be advocating safe spaces for controversial figures; which is kinda a woke stance if I say so.

My problem with pre-secular Christian Europe is that nobody could ever be honest about everything. Public life was a theatre. Everybody had to pretend to be something they were not. And if they ever made the mistake about being a bit authentic they'd be burned at the stake. This all changed with secularism. A steady rise of allowed public honesty and honest public debate. It's still on the way towards the peak. At no point before in human history have humanity (all of humanity) been more free to speak their minds. And this is a right we've been fighting for ever since the French Revolution.

Fuck, double down and throw in the Holocaust whilst you're at it to defend your stance on a media personality quitting and not getting the reaction he received. What happened to Morgan is not a referendum on human society. Calm the fuck down.

What I think you are arguing for is a step backward.

That you believe anything you disagree with is regressive is a pretty arrogant stance. And patronizing. And dare I say...wokeish?

When I watch porn I don't want to see things that I would do at home. I want them to do gross and horrific things that would be too much for me. It's the same with talking heads on TV. I want them to say extreme and outrageous things that pushes the limits of public taste. That's where it gets interesting.

That really is none of my business. However your argument seems to boil down to you want the ability to force broadcasters to show only the content you want.

All I demand from people on TV is that they're interesting. Hence I haven't watched TV (other than clips on Youtube) since the 90'ies.

Form your own media outlet then. ITV has obligation to stakeholders and Piers Morgan being a cunt could have compromised those obligations. In fact the finding of Ofcom (that TSwizzle conveniently left out) was that if there wasn't backlash against Morgan's comments ITV would have breached guidelines.

I think polite society is still too Christian for my tastes. I want it to be more fun. I'm not preening for a lost golden age. That golden age has never existed. But I'd like to make it happen at some point.

Sounds like a real problem. Just not mine or anybody elses.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yes I do. Because clearly having consequences to actions will always lead to an emotionless Orwellian society. There is no other alternative.



They can do that without being a cunt. Not only that, you appear to be advocating nobody in the media is allowed to be fired ever. And not only that, Pier Morgan resigned in what was clearly a publicity stunt and miscalculated how much he is despised. Once again - consequences. I hate to break it to you, but you appear to be advocating safe spaces for controversial figures; which is kinda a woke stance if I say so.

My problem with pre-secular Christian Europe is that nobody could ever be honest about everything. Public life was a theatre. Everybody had to pretend to be something they were not. And if they ever made the mistake about being a bit authentic they'd be burned at the stake. This all changed with secularism. A steady rise of allowed public honesty and honest public debate. It's still on the way towards the peak. At no point before in human history have humanity (all of humanity) been more free to speak their minds. And this is a right we've been fighting for ever since the French Revolution.

Fuck, double down and throw in the Holocaust whilst you're at it to defend your stance on a media personality quitting and not getting the reaction he received. What happened to Morgan is not a referendum on human society. Calm the fuck down.

What I think you are arguing for is a step backward.

That you believe anything you disagree with is regressive is a pretty arrogant stance. And patronizing. And dare I say...wokeish?

When I watch porn I don't want to see things that I would do at home. I want them to do gross and horrific things that would be too much for me. It's the same with talking heads on TV. I want them to say extreme and outrageous things that pushes the limits of public taste. That's where it gets interesting.

That really is none of my business. However your argument seems to boil down to you want the ability to force broadcasters to show only the content you want.

All I demand from people on TV is that they're interesting. Hence I haven't watched TV (other than clips on Youtube) since the 90'ies.

Form your own media outlet then. ITV has obligation to stakeholders and Piers Morgan being a cunt could have compromised those obligations. In fact the finding of Ofcom (that TSwizzle conveniently left out) was that if there wasn't backlash against Morgan's comments ITV would have breached guidelines.

I think polite society is still too Christian for my tastes. I want it to be more fun. I'm not preening for a lost golden age. That golden age has never existed. But I'd like to make it happen at some point.

Sounds like a real problem. Just not mine or anybody elses.

Ehe... people afraid to speak their mind in public will lead to an emotionless Orwellian society. You are the one advocating everybody needs to be acceptably nice to each other in public. In what way will that lead to people actually showing authentic emotions? You're describing a world where anything done in public will have to be pure theatre, because honest emotional expressions come at a high cost.

Your line of reasoning is so backward and convoluted, I find it amazing anybody can reason like this. Or how anybody has managed to convince themselves this won't lead to an emotionless Orwellian society.

You are against the one thing you are promoting.