Here we go again: the next Republican boy-fondler scandal

[Underseer]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/ka...ce-state-legislator-accused-abusing-boys/amp/

This time it involves emotionally abused boys as young as five. Nice, huh?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

In before, "in europe..." and "no one can prove..."

 

[J842P]

I don't actually understand what happened here? Hi fondled the fostor kids?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't actually understand what happened here?

You mean from reading the article you don't see any glaring red flags, to include things that screw with a kid's head?

 

[J842P]

I don't actually understand what happened here?

You mean from reading the article you don't see any glaring red flags, to include things that screw with a kid's head?

I'm honestly asking what exactly happened. The 5-year old boy was fondled, which would constitute sexual abuse, but then it says something about emotional abuse.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Okay. I honestly don't know.

I imagine sexual abuse is also emotional abuse.

 

[J842P]

Okay. I honestly don't know.

I imagine sexual abuse is also emotional abuse.

Sure. But I don't even understand who is the foster parent here, looking up this case, other articles say that he claims he was accused in retaliation to *his* reporting that the foster parent had let a convicted sex offender into the house.

I can't find a clear description of who accused who, and what, exactly, each person is being accused of.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

His defense is all over the place, like Trump's:
Something about foster parent;
Dcf policy messed up;
He was just showing affection.

He was a non-foster parent, volunteer to spend time with kids. They were foster kids and so had foster parents. He was not fostering.

He had the boys sit in his lap while he kissed them and had them massage his chest.

Not sure what more questions there can be before it sounds like post#2.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't actually understand what happened here? Hi fondled the fostor kids?

He had the boys kiss and hug him and rub his chest. He was doing something that bothered the foster mother. And it bothered the people that investigated him.

But technicalities got him umm... off of the charges.

The good news, he didn't get to the point of sexually abusing the children.

What I don't understand is why was the boy removed from foster care.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am not sure why there was physical contact at all. A special advocate assigned by the court is practically almost a bureaucrat...almost...or you could think of it that way. They function as an independent adult voice for the child...similar to how when you get very old, you might assign one of your offspring to be your legal guardian/financial manager/healthcare decision maker/ whatever you call it. However in the case of a special advocate, they are not related to the kid, the court has appointed them etc. The kid may also get their own lawyer but the advocate is independent. I could see an advocate developing a rapport with a kid and when case is done giving a hug, but the creepy stuff this guy did was way beyond that. And will negatively impact kids' minds, for example trusting authority issues. Thus, it is emotional abuse.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't actually understand what happened here? Hi fondled the fostor kids?

He had the boys kiss and hug him and rub his chest. He was doing something that bothered the foster mother. And it bothered the people that investigated him.

But technicalities got him umm... off of the charges.

The good news, he didn't get to the point of sexually abusing the children.

What I don't understand is why was the boy removed from foster care.

You likely will never know due to privacy issues. There are a lot of possibilities: criminal behavior, institutionalized, successful adoption, reunification with birth family...to name four. The last two are way more likely given age.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't actually understand what happened here? Hi fondled the fostor kids?

He had the boys kiss and hug him and rub his chest. He was doing something that bothered the foster mother. And it bothered the people that investigated him.

But technicalities got him umm... off of the charges.

The good news, he didn't get to the point of sexually abusing the children.

What I don't understand is why was the boy removed from foster care.

You likely will never know due to privacy issues. There are a lot of possibilities: criminal behavior, institutionalized, successful adoption, reunification with birth family...to name four. The last two are way more likely given age.

Based on what I'm reading, that doesn't make much sense. According to the source article:
"DCF documents show that he was a court-appointed special advocate volunteer for CASA. CASA partners adult volunteers with foster children to provide emotional support as they go through the court system.

Those documents show Capps was assigned a 5-year-old boy. Last year DCF removed that child along with other children from their foster home. Shortly after, the foster mother filed a complaint against Capps saying he caused emotional abuse for two boys."

It seems something was wrong with the foster home.

"He was also accused of babysitting the woman’s children, which CASA said is in violation of his duties."

That makes the least bit of sense. If children are removed from her care, why is she in contact with the CASA of one of them?

The initial investigation said something was wrong. The appeal said it was unsubstantiated and talks about paperwork.

This whole story has a whole bunch of oddity to it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You likely will never know due to privacy issues. There are a lot of possibilities: criminal behavior, institutionalized, successful adoption, reunification with birth family...to name four. The last two are way more likely given age.

Based on what I'm reading, that doesn't make much sense. According to the source article:
"DCF documents show that he was a court-appointed special advocate volunteer for CASA. CASA partners adult volunteers with foster children to provide emotional support as they go through the court system.

Those documents show Capps was assigned a 5-year-old boy. Last year DCF removed that child along with other children from their foster home. Shortly after, the foster mother filed a complaint against Capps saying he caused emotional abuse for two boys."

It seems something was wrong with the foster home.

"He was also accused of babysitting the woman’s children, which CASA said is in violation of his duties."

That makes the least bit of sense. If children are removed from her care, why is she in contact with the CASA of one of them?

The initial investigation said something was wrong. The appeal said it was unsubstantiated and talks about paperwork.

This whole story has a whole bunch of oddity to it.

Okay, my misunderstanding. I imagined you wrote he was removed from foster care which i inferred as all foster care. If he [and others] were removed from a particular foster home, it would indicate the foster home did something wrong or in DCF's eyes likely did so, so as to put pressure to discontinue care...there are other possibilities not worth mentioning.

If he was babysitting, it was inappropriate for both him and the foster mother. That is reason enough right there to question the foster mother AND him, especially if she was aware of more of his inappropriateness while still having him babysit. I'm not saying that is a sole reason for DCF to have removed kids but that could have been 2 strikes out of 3.

Regarding the rest...I think people take the word "unsubstantiated" too extremely. It doesn't help that the defendant is using the word to claim he is innocent. Or that rape apologists point to statistics and claim that the word means defendants are innocent. I think what it really means is that this rich, powerful Republican lawyered up. The lawyer probably said it was technically out of bounds to include one incriminating iota of evidence.

 

[Axulus]

I'm not really getting it. The article doesn't explain much.

“The woman alleges Capps hugged and kissed the boys and allowed them to sit on his lap and rub his chest,” the report noted. “He was also accused of babysitting the woman’s children, which CASA said is in violation of his duties.”

Parents kiss and hug their children all the time, and it sounds like he was their foster parent here? Was it done in some sort of creepy manner? If the mom was uncomfortable with it, then tell him to stop. Or was he babysitting them? The kissing part would be inappropriate then. Seems a bit overboard to call him an abuser just from this though.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I'm not really getting it. The article doesn't explain much.

“The woman alleges Capps hugged and kissed the boys and allowed them to sit on his lap and rub his chest,” the report noted. “He was also accused of babysitting the woman’s children, which CASA said is in violation of his duties.”

Parents kiss and hug their children all the time, and it sounds like he was their foster parent here? Was it done in some sort of creepy manner? If the mom was uncomfortable with it, then tell him to stop. Or was he babysitting them? The kissing part would be inappropriate then. Seems a bit overboard to call him an abuser just from this though.

How would you feel if he was a probate judge, typically doing adoption hearings? Offering to babysit vulnerable kids...having them sit on his lap...stroking his chest...kissing them...what long term emotional side effects will this do? See previous posts...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article217638450.html

It sounds like a technicality.

 

[Axulus]

I'm not really getting it. The article doesn't explain much.

“The woman alleges Capps hugged and kissed the boys and allowed them to sit on his lap and rub his chest,” the report noted. “He was also accused of babysitting the woman’s children, which CASA said is in violation of his duties.”

Parents kiss and hug their children all the time, and it sounds like he was their foster parent here? Was it done in some sort of creepy manner? If the mom was uncomfortable with it, then tell him to stop. Or was he babysitting them? The kissing part would be inappropriate then. Seems a bit overboard to call him an abuser just from this though.

How would you feel if he was a probate judge, typically doing adoption hearings? Offering to babysit vulnerable kids...having them sit on his lap...stroking his chest...kissing them...what long term emotional side effects will this do? See previous posts...

It all depends on the context. Kissing them and hugging them like a pervert? Or kissing them good night and hugging them before they head off to school? Touching his chest during intimate moments with the kids, maybe because the kids are more affectionate than average, or encouraging them in a creepy and perverted way? It is a travesty to destroy his reputation without knowing these kind of details and without any sort of criminal conviction.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How would you feel if he was a probate judge, typically doing adoption hearings? Offering to babysit vulnerable kids...having them sit on his lap...stroking his chest...kissing them...what long term emotional side effects will this do? See previous posts...

It all depends on the context. Kissing them and hugging them like a pervert?

How does this not seem like a pervert to you? Did you not just read he is not supposed to ask to babysit and did I not just give an analogy to a judge offering to babysit? Does that not strike you as crossing a big boundary?

Or kissing them good night and hugging them before they head off to school?

Hold on. NO. You are not getting that he's an advocate, just a guy appointed by the court to represent the kids' interests in the court for legal purposes. Didn't I already tell you that. Not only should he not be babysitting, he should definitely not be doing OVERNIGHTS with the kids. We're going into Michael Jackson territory here.

Touching his chest during intimate moments with the kids, maybe because the kids are more affectionate than average, or encouraging them in a creepy and perverted way? It is a travesty to destroy his reputation without knowing these kind of details and without any sort of criminal conviction.

This is totally Michael Jackson territory here but worse since he's not supposed to be crossing the line into doing these things. Michael Jackson had no line of professionalism he wasn't supposed to cross.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article217638450.html

It sounds like a technicality.

Follow the link. Here is why I wrote that:

Capps appealed the decision to the Office of Administrative Hearings, which reversed the finding because of a technical error, DCF spokeswoman Taylor Forrest said.

“The reversal did not address the underlying facts of the finding. However, absent new information or a new event, the agency cannot issue a new finding to correct the error,” Forrest said in a statement.