Herman Cain dies from COVID

[Rhea]

As you can see from this graph, the 85+ crowd were the first to die, but they are far from the only ones to die. 200 people a week under 30. A thousand a week under 65.

You math is deplorable, TSwizzle. And your callousness for the deaths of over 150,000 Americans is ghoulish.

 

[TSwizzle]

The fact that elderly have the highest mortality rate does not negate the FACT that the statement, “COVID kills people of every age” is absolutely factually true.

It’s overwhelming old people with underlying health issues. A couple of anomalies doesn’t change that particular fact.

Why would you even say, “No it doesn’t” when that is so obviously not true? A 9 month old died. An eight yer old died.

A couple of anomalies, if that. There was a report a dog died of Covid the other day. The dog had cancer ffs.

Stay home if you believe the fear mongers.

 

[TSwizzle]

As you can see from this graph, the 85+ crowd were the first to die,

Yes, in care homes because fuckwits put the virus in there !

And I’m the callous one ?

Stay home and obsess about it. I don’t.

 

[ZiprHead]

26-Day-Old Baby Tested Positive for Coronavirus in Autopsy After Her Death

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Try this Karen.

So you've got nothing to support your claims.

Maybe you're too lazy to support your claims or maybe you know you are just pulling this stuff out of your ass, but you don't have the integrity to admit it.

Which one is it?

I'm being lazy right now. I'm buying one house, and Bank of America has proven they hire incompetent mortgage broker. I have proven that I hire incompetent real estate agents. Right now I'm dealing with dumb and dumber. If ZiprHead wants to show he's a peer to my real estate agent and my mortgage broker I don't feel like dealing with it.

Still, he makes my real estate agent and my mortgage broker look like geniuses.

By the way, neither you nor he actually want any evidence that in some areas there are overcounts. Your tribe doesn't allow for the possibility.

 

[Patooka]

Try this Karen.

So you've got nothing to support your claims.

Maybe you're too lazy to support your claims or maybe you know you are just pulling this stuff out of your ass, but you don't have the integrity to admit it.

Which one is it?

I'm being lazy right now. I'm buying one house, and Bank of America has proven they hire incompetent mortgage broker. I have proven that I hire incompetent real estate agents. Right now I'm dealing with dumb and dumber. If ZiprHead wants to show he's a peer to my real estate agent and my mortgage broker I don't feel like dealing with it.

Still, he makes my real estate agent and my mortgage broker look like geniuses.

By the way, neither you nor he actually want any evidence that in some areas there are overcounts. Your tribe doesn't allow for the possibility.

Dr Harvestdancer using an esoteric vague analogy to highlight his obfuscation on covid-19 to complain about other people's tribal mentality.

In my country, we call that irony.

 

[laughing dog]

There is evidence that in some areas it is over-counted.
There is evidence that in some areas it is under-counted.

Which of those two you pay attention to depends on which tribe you are loyal to.

Can we see this "evidence", resurcher?

Try this Karen.

That is not evidence. It is an evasion.

 

[laughing dog]

26-Day-Old Baby Tested Positive for Coronavirus in Autopsy After Her Death

Is that TMB or NEB (not enough birthdays)?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is evidence that in some areas it is over-counted.
There is evidence that in some areas it is under-counted.

Which of those two you pay attention to depends on which tribe you are loyal to.

Where is this evidence of an overcount?

Yes, we have deaths that we can't be certain are Covid (it's possible the guy just keeled over from a heart attack independent of Covid, but Covid causes heart attacks) that are being listed as it, but we have large numbers of excess deaths from other causes that are almost certainly Covid deaths that aren't being counted.

 

[Rhea]

By the way, neither you nor he actually want any evidence that in some areas there are overcounts. Your tribe doesn't allow for the possibility.

I’m sure there are some overcounts somewhere. I acept that possiblity.
And yet it is still worthless to spend time on them when the undercounts are causing reckless policies that are killing more people.


FACT: There are 150,000 more deaths than normal in the US this year.
Whatever they are from, it is more than normal.

That is alarming, and small overcounts in isolated areas do nothing to diminish the alarming nature of the 150,000 excess deaths this year (so far).

Whatever they are from it needs to be addressed. That is an astonighing number of deaths above normal.

 

[Rhea]

As you can see from this graph, the 85+ crowd were the first to die,

Yes, in care homes because fuckwits put the virus in there !

And I’m the callous one ?

Stay home and obsess about it. I don’t.

THis reply does not make sense.
The argument is that 85+ people are not the only ones t die (and we should care about them regardless). Your statement was that there was nothing abnormal because the average age of death was 80+.

I showed you that it was 78 (not 80+, though close) but that was two months ago when the nursing home cases dominated.

Now that is no longer the most numberous vector, and now the average age is far lower. Demonstrating that your claim of it not being a problem for you people was false.

You keep saying, “stay home if you’re scared,” when the point of the data is that those who are waltzing about and not caring and thinking nothing is going on here - they are the ones spreading the disease right now. They are the ones giving the disease to the people who are dying from it.

150,000 Amercians ARE DEAD. It’s a big deal. It needs the deniers to stay home and wear masks also, not to waltz around like it’s all a joke, spreading it further so more people, including the young and middle aged, don’t have to die from your callousness.

This post of yours here is just a dance and a dodge from the comments you are making - that it’s not a big deal and only scaredy cats should stay home. You are given evidence and then you do this, bring up the nursing homes like it hasn’t JUST been shown that nursing hmes were a major avenue before May, but since then, the younger people have been dying in larger percents. You JUST saw this data, now you pretend you didn’t see it and repeat your original, refuted, claim like the data was never presented. The response is - no. Your conclusion is wrong This is a big deal and people are dying.

 

[Rhea]

So, to sum up:

We have Jason Harvestdancer and TSwizzle are arguing that 150,000 dead is no big deal and everyone who stays home is only doing it out of unsubstantiated fear, while they think going out to whatever is fine and risk-free and everyone is fine and everything is normal.

And when they are shown data the unequivocally proves their position is harmful to the lives of others, they repeat that 150,00 are not dead and if they were it would all be normal.

They data proves them wrong.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Elixir, you claim to have quite a bit of training. You give LD his education.

If your weird obsession with random colors doesn't get in the way.

I guess a lot of those people with the comorbidity factors would have had very long fulfilling morbidly obese geriatric immuno-compromised lives had Covid not appeared. They'd be the picture of heath right now.

It doesn't take nuanced thinking to see the difference between having poor health and being dead. I think anyone who had taken and understood any biology would get that.

Can you clarify this please? It sounds complicated.

I mean, if they're dead, at least they aren't obese anymore, so maybe COVID is actually healthy for people!

 

[Worldtraveller]

Um, demon sperm?

Winnar!

 

[Worldtraveller]

There is evidence that in some areas it is over-counted.
There is evidence that in some areas it is under-counted.

Which of those two you pay attention to depends on which tribe you are loyal to.

Can we see this "evidence", resurcher?

Hey, at least JH is admitting that he only pays attention to the 'data' that comes from his tribe. It's progress of sorts.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

We are calling it Demon Semen now. It was already great but now it also rhymes.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I think Paul Simon gets the credit for that, on his 1973 album There Goes Demon Semen.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Try this Karen.

So you've got nothing to support your claims.

Maybe you're too lazy to support your claims or maybe you know you are just pulling this stuff out of your ass, but you don't have the integrity to admit it.

Which one is it?

I'm being lazy right now. I'm buying one house, and Bank of America has proven they hire incompetent mortgage broker. I have proven that I hire incompetent real estate agents. Right now I'm dealing with dumb and dumber. If ZiprHead wants to show he's a peer to my real estate agent and my mortgage broker I don't feel like dealing with it.

Still, he makes my real estate agent and my mortgage broker look like geniuses.

By the way, neither you nor he actually want any evidence that in some areas there are overcounts. Your tribe doesn't allow for the possibility.

Anything is possible, but the issue at hand is that new cases are under counted everywhere. Over counts in deaths ("in areas") are likely overcome in aggregate by under counts in deaths in those same areas.

A couple cities needed refrigerator trucks for the dead. I suppose those trucks could have been overcounted.

I'm curious, if every city had the same ICU usage rates as Houston, Phoenix, and Miami, would they consider that a bad thing?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think Paul Simon gets the credit for that, on his 1973 album There Goes Demon Semen.

Is that the one with Bridge Over Fluoridated Water?

 

[SimpleDon]

I had CoVID-19 in the middle of February of this year. I caught it from my brother who lives in Seattle who came to Atlanta to help drive my wife and I to Daupin Island for a vacation.

This was when Trump was saying that it was a hoax by the Democrats to defeat him in November. That it was well under control in the US, it was just like the seasonal flu, and it would disappear with the hot weather. All of which was wrong and were lies based on what was known about the disease at the time.

I was seriously ill from the disease, this is not just a seasonal flu. It was mid-July before I felt fully recovered from the disease. I had extremely painful lungs lungs and poor kidney function, along with a hacking, persistent cough, which lasted for nearly 3 months. I have my own respirator, a cough assist machine, like a vacuum cleaner for your lungs, a full hospital bed that can be turned head-down to let gravity help me clear my lungs, and I employ two nurses normally to be with me eight hours a day, seven days a week who went to working twelve hour shifts to give me 24-hour, seven days a week coverage while I was sick.

I am almost seveny years old, overweight and I had ALS for more than thirteen years but I have good cardiovascular health and still have more working lung capacity than the average man, and this is what ALS takes away from people who have the disease.

Had I died I wouldn't have been counted as a COVID-19 death and I was only counted as having had the disease because I took the antibody test to see if I could donate antibodies in my plasma, I am AB+, the universal plasma donor blood type. I couldn't because I have ALS, and they don't know what causes it.