How do you educate Muslim kids about the Holocaust?

[arkirk]

Educate them by presenting the facts and failing anyone who doesn't put those facts onto a test. If they're so anti-semitic that they want to deny the Holocaust then they don't deserve a passing grade in history the same way that anyone who's so anti-science that they want to deny evolution doesn't deserve a passing grade in biology.

While denial of events like the holocaust or the pogroms in Russia or the Turkish Armenian Genocide is a problem, that seems to be the easiest part of the problem of genocide to overcome. Numbers are numbers...facts are facts. What takes a little more effort is analysis of conditions that lead to and produce Genocide. I feel the world is pretty much pre-loaded for future genocides and that fact too is being denied. It is not all one type of people or one religion or one race that must face this problem. Genocide appears to be a general human malady.

Genocide can be practiced with tanks, bombs, death camps, incinerators, bulldozers, and even machetes...and has been so practiced. We may just owe Henry Ford's assembly line technique something in cases like the Holocaust where the killing was indeed industrialized. That was the true horror of it...mass produced death and disposal of human beings...in the service of some sort of racist theory. In the recent past however we have genocides that go unnoticed even though they are large in scope in places like Rwanda, Darfur, Kosovo, Somalia, etc. These were perhaps not so industrialized but equally horrible human events.

What concerns me is our ability to segregate ourselves into opposing factions and in this separation to allow leaders to stir our hatreds and fears to the boiling point where genocide can occur. Actually, raw, unprocessed numbers can give us a handle on how bad a genocide was. Rarely however they seem to affect our formation of conditions leading to further genocide. What I have gathered from my own observations (which are probably similar to most of the people here) is that there are no innocent factions in these events. What is required to forestall further genocides is only one remedy...forgiveness, compromise, and reconciliation. The source of my own irritation is the complete manner in which certain sectors of the human race are written off as enemies, terrorists, and sub humans.

When you teach about the holocaust and broadcast the numbers involved, there needs to be always accompanying this, the analysis of the thinking and the building of conditions that led to the holocaust. It is in avoiding these conditions in the future that can perhaps lead to the avoidance of future holocausts. Otherwise statistics and paper clips really do not help much.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

When you teach about the holocaust and broadcast the numbers involved, there needs to be always accompanying this, the analysis of the thinking and the building of conditions that led to the holocaust. It is in avoiding these conditions in the future that can perhaps lead to the avoidance of future holocausts. Otherwise statistics and paper clips really do not help much.

Fortunately, there are zero courses about the Holocaust in the world which don't already do this, so it's not really an issue.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Fortunately, there are zero courses about the Holocaust in the world which don't already do this, so it's not really an issue.

and exactly because of this that the deniers want the courses to end...so they can do it again, and the rest of the world will act as surprised as last time.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Fortunately, there are zero courses about the Holocaust in the world which don't already do this, so it's not really an issue.

and exactly because of this that the deniers want the courses to end...so they can do it again, and the rest of the world will act as surprised as last time.

Nah, I don't think that's it's some kind of pro-genocide position which leads to it. It's more that they really don't want to concede anything to the Jews. When you look at the prevalence of it amongst Muslim nations, for instance, they're against Israel and Israel is connected to the Holocaust, so saying that the Holocaust happened means ... that you support the oppression of the Palestinians ... or something. I'd be surprised if their position is well-thought-out enough that there's actually a coherent rationale in there somewhere.

 

[arkirk]

When you teach about the holocaust and broadcast the numbers involved, there needs to be always accompanying this, the analysis of the thinking and the building of conditions that led to the holocaust. It is in avoiding these conditions in the future that can perhaps lead to the avoidance of future holocausts. Otherwise statistics and paper clips really do not help much.

Fortunately, there are zero courses about the Holocaust in the world which don't already do this, so it's not really an issue.

The problem is that these courses and the people who make them and teach them are always beholden to intimidating social, political, and religious factions and they are moulded into political tools, sometimes actually increasing the likelihood of future genocides. The courses sometimes engage in denial of conditions that may indeed produce at a minimum social disorder and discrimination. The schools really don't have the power to stand up to the government or even just factions within the government. They are afraid of seeming "political" and tip toe around the inbuilt social flaws and powerful leaders of the time. A prime example...the French edict...no headscarves for muslim girls in school. That puts this segment of society on guard and makes them feel unwelcome. Merely disobeying an order like this makes them violators of the public good. Obeying the order makes them feel not quite what they feel they ought to be. It is just a little thing but it portends ever greater discrimination. Now none of us even believe in their silly God and we tend to write off forcing others to comply with our wishes as just maintaining order...but tolerance still is the best path. Without that, the courses become useless.

 

[tupac chopra]

You could tell the Moslems about how they saved jews during the holocaust.

The Great Mosque of Paris that saved Jews during the Holocaust

Salim Halali was a huge star in France and Morocco in the mid-20th century. The Jewish singer, who was born in 1920 into a poor family in Algeria, came to France when he was 14. Within a few years he became known far and wide as the best “Oriental” singer in Europe.

Now, seven years after his death,

Halali’s persona is back at center stage in a new French movie. The film, “Les hommes libres,” is being screened at the French film festival that is taking place at Cinematheques across Israel until April 5th.

The plot of the film centers on a heroic rescue tale, the details of which have yet to be studied fully by scholars, having to do with the Great Mosque of Paris having provided sanctuary and refuge to Jews, Halali among them, during the Holocaust. The film has sparked a renewed public debate over whether the honorific “Righteous Among the Nations” should be accorded to the mosque’s rector, who is depicted as one who placed Halali and other Jews under his protection.

“The film pays homage to the people of our history who have been invisible. It shows another reality, that Muslims and Jews existed in peace. We have to remember that − with pride,” the film’s director, Ismael Ferroukhi, said in an interview with the New York Times.