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How much of welfare is added to the poverty calculations?

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I'm sure the answer to this is complicated. Are there any good numbers?

The big programs:

Medicade
Foodstamps
Earned Income Tax Credit
Supplemental Security Income
Housing Assistance
CHIP
TANF
WIC & CSFP
Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Section 8 housing
 
I'm sure the answer to this is complicated. Are there any good numbers?

The big programs:

Medicade
Foodstamps
Earned Income Tax Credit
Supplemental Security Income
Housing Assistance
CHIP
TANF
WIC & CSFP
Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Section 8 housing

None. When you actually add these numbers in you find that about the only people actually in poverty are those that fall through the net somewhere--especially the homeless.
 
I'm sure the answer to this is complicated. Are there any good numbers?

The big programs:

Medicade
Foodstamps
Earned Income Tax Credit
Supplemental Security Income
Housing Assistance
CHIP
TANF
WIC & CSFP
Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Section 8 housing
Are you asking how many additional people would be under the poverty line without welfare?
 
I'm sure the answer to this is complicated. Are there any good numbers?

The big programs:

Medicade
Foodstamps
Earned Income Tax Credit
Supplemental Security Income
Housing Assistance
CHIP
TANF
WIC & CSFP
Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Section 8 housing
Are you asking how many additional people would be under the poverty line without welfare?

In a round about way, yes. I'm wondering what goes into the poverty calculations. If what Loren says is true, then nothing would change if you removed welfare. The better question would be, are we identifying poverty correctly?
 
Are you asking how many additional people would be under the poverty line without welfare?

In a round about way, yes. I'm wondering what goes into the poverty calculations. If what Loren says is true, then nothing would change if you removed welfare. Are we identifying poverty correctly would be the better question.

I think Loren is saying the opposite of that.
 
This is my interpretation of what Loren is saying: The number of people classified as poor would not change. Their material well being would drastically change if welfare were removed. Hence, the the numbers are very deceiving. The "poor" are really not poor.
 
To the OP: the answer is, it depends. Australia's national statistical office, for example, does not use one.

If you're talking about some poverty statistic, you'll have to look at the methodology.

The most accurate picture would be reflected by looking at the private (market) income of a household, and adding any social transfers in cash (cash government benefits), as well as adding the value of any social transfers in kind (e.g rent-assisted housing, Medicare).

On the flipside, you would subtract direct taxes (e.g. income taxes) and the income paid by consumers indirectly (e.g. VATs or GST, taxes on production). The latter part is very involved but nevertheless an important aspect of understanding the totality of the tax and transfer system.

You should also add the value of housing services that flow to owner-occupiers from owning their own house instead of renting. $400 a week in income for someone who has to rent is a lot different than $400 a week income for someone who owns their own home without a mortgage.
 
I'm mostly condensed about the US. What is the poverty stat most commonly cited? Census Bureau? Or does everyone pick the stat that favors their argument?
 
This is my interpretation of what Loren is saying: The number of people classified as poor would not change. Their material well being would drastically change if welfare were removed. Hence, the the numbers are very deceiving. The "poor" are really not poor.

Half correct. Even with welfare they're poor--welfare isn't intended to move you beyond poor, it's only intended to provide the minimum you need.
 
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