How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?
2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.

It's pretty simple really. Most of the time, wars start when bigger countries decide that they want a piece or all of a smaller country. Russia wants Ukraine. Forgot about all the Maiden bullshit. The "Ukraine has so offended us", blah blah. That's all noise for dummys. Russia wants Ukraine. It wants its land and its resources. One of the few ways to stop larger bully countries is to form alliances. Third party troops could prevent future Russian invasions. You have a very cavalier attitude about war. It doesn't bother you much. Maybe because you are too old to serve. I don't know. I have family members that live in Eastern Europe. Some live very close to the Ukranian border. I know some Ukrainians. They want a life. They don't want to fight. They want to live.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?

Because Ukraine needs guarantees by other countries than Russia to uphold the agreement. Because Russia can't be trusted. The countries are already at war. Other countries aren't sending troops now. What makes you think they'll send troops if Russia breaks the future agreement

2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party peace troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.

Ukraine most definitely wants it. Russia does not want it. Because Ukraine needs it

 

[TV and credit cards]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?
2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.

Assistance defending Ukraine because Russia will not honor any treaty they sign their name to, not Putin, not likely anyone who succeeds him. To Russia, treaties are nothing but a means of putting the other party at a disadvantage.

And why shouldn't other countries be concerned with the Russia/Ukraine conflict? After all, in this blatant act, Russia's concern was for the Russian speaking people of Ukraine. And on that note, do you not find it a bit contradictory that Putin has sent over 100,000 Russians to their death to defend these Russian speaking Ukrainians? For a guy who claims to be so concerned with Russian speaking Ukrainians, he sure is cavalier with the lives of Russian speaking Russians.

 

[barbos]

What more does Russia need to do to trigger NATO to send troops to Ukraine?

As far as I am concerned, the moment Russia started targeting civilians and the power infrastructure we should have gone in. Kidnapping Ukrainian children is another bad one.

Now we're letting Russia grind Ukraine to dust while we're sending trinkets. Right now its looking like its just a matter of time before Russia wins. Which would be bad. I don't think we have much time left

What else needs to happen that will make the NATO countries willing to commit troops?

What are you talking about? Trump just said that Ukraine can win and maybe even take Moscow!
Ukraine is winning! Muhahahaha!

 

[barbos]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?
2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.

It's pretty simple really. Most of the time, wars start when bigger countries decide that they want a piece or all of a smaller country.

Yes, US/West wanted a piece or preferably all of Russia.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?
2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.

It's pretty simple really. Most of the time, wars start when bigger countries decide that they want a piece or all of a smaller country.

Yes, US/West wanted a piece or preferably all of Russia.

Yes, god dammitt! It's the rogues from Luxemburg who have been planning this. They saw Russian weakness ever since the 1980 winter Olympics when USA stomped Russia. We've been trying to hold them back ever since. I'd recommend beefing up your defenses in case we can't hold them back.