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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Meanwhile, there are early signs of ukro-reich collapse. Ukrainian regime lost or losing Ocheretino, and they lost it because some Wehrmacht units simply ran away from their positions
 
Another stab in the back (of Ukraine) from Canada of all countries. They let russian titanium products into the country.
 
Biden signs foreign aid bill providing crucial military assistance to Ukraine | CNN Politics
The signing of the aid package was the culmination of months of tense negotiations, personal lobbying from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and a split in the House Republican conference that continues to threaten the leadership position of House Speaker Mike Johnson. Hardline House conservatives opposed further US funding to Kyiv and threatened to oust Johnson over his handling of the negotiations. Conservatives in Congress have opposed additional assistance for what they view as an unwinnable war.

Biden had spent months lobbying Johnson to move forward with aid to Ukraine, enlisting top administration officials and CIA Director Bill Burns to lay out the stakes for Ukraine - and ultimately democracy in Europe and across the world - if Russia continued to make inroads in its military campaign there.
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When will aid get to Ukraine?
The bill’s effects will be felt most quickly and acutely on battlefields in Ukraine, whose soldiers have faced ammunition shortages and battlefield losses in the absence of US assistance this year.

Biden said the shipments of military supplies to Ukraine will begin “in the next few hours,” and would include air-defense equipment and munitions for artillery and rocket systems, along with armored vehicles.

The Pentagon announced a $1 billion aid package would go to Ukraine just moments after Biden signed the bill into law.
Among the capabilities included in the new package is ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), artillery rounds, RIM-7 and AIM-9M air defense missiles, Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, and more. It also includes various logistics and tactical vehicles, anti-armor systems, training munitions and spare parts, and small arms ammunition including .50 caliber rounds to counter drones.
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New US military aid package to Ukraine expected to be worth around $1 billion | CNN Politics
In briefings to Congress in recent weeks, administration officials have indicated that the US will likely send Ukraine long-range ATACMS, or Army Tactical Missile Systems, for the first time as part of the new aid package, three of the sources said.

Last fall the US first sent Ukraine the midrange variant of the ATACMS missile system, which can reach about 100 miles, while the longer-range version can reach as far as 190 miles.
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lpetrich said:
In briefings to Congress in recent weeks, administration officials have indicated that the US will likely send Ukraine long-range ATACMS, or Army Tactical Missile Systems, for the first time as part of the new aid package, three of the sources said.
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Looks like we snuck some in already.
Ukraine uses long-range missiles secretly provided by US to hit Russian-held areas, officials say
WASHINGTON (AP) — Ukraine for the first time has begun using long-range ballistic missiles provided secretly by the United States, bombing a Russian military airfield in Crimea last week and Russian forces in another occupied area overnight, American officials said Wednesday.
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Adm. Christopher Grady, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told The Associated Press in an interview that long-range weapons will help Ukraine take out Russian logistics nodes and troop concentrations that are not on the front lines. He declined to identify what specific weapons were being provided but said they will be “very disruptive if used properly, and I’m confident they will be.”
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TV and credit cards said:
lpetrich said:
In briefings to Congress in recent weeks, administration officials have indicated that the US will likely send Ukraine long-range ATACMS, or Army Tactical Missile Systems, for the first time as part of the new aid package, three of the sources said.
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Looks like we snuck some in already.
Ukraine uses long-range missiles secretly provided by US to hit Russian-held areas, officials say
WASHINGTON (AP) — Ukraine for the first time has begun using long-range ballistic missiles provided secretly by the United States, bombing a Russian military airfield in Crimea last week and Russian forces in another occupied area overnight, American officials said Wednesday.
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Adm. Christopher Grady, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told The Associated Press in an interview that long-range weapons will help Ukraine take out Russian logistics nodes and troop concentrations that are not on the front lines. He declined to identify what specific weapons were being provided but said they will be “very disruptive if used properly, and I’m confident they will be.”
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Yay! for Biden.
Tom
 
LOL, Poland decided to send ukrainian men who left Ukraine to avoid dying for Biden back to Ukraine.
The rest of EU will soon follow. That's a bummer. I guess safest country for ukrainian men is now definitely Russia.

And yes, EU will follow, have no doubt about it, at the very least EU will have a bunch of ukrainian men with expired documents because Elensky issued a law which essentially refuses ukrainian consulate services for men in EU.
Want to get new passport? well, you have to go to Ukraine for that :)
 
More: Biden signs Ukraine aid, TikTok ban package after Republican battle | Reuters

Brown: DOD 'Moving Out' to Get Aid to Ukraine > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
In remarks at the White House before he signed the measure into law earlier today, Biden announced that the U.S. would send a fresh round of military aid to Ukraine within hours.

The Pentagon announced its first assistance package under the new funding soon afterward. The package, which is valued at up to $1 billion, includes key capabilities to include air defense interceptors, artillery rounds, armored vehicles and antitank weapons.
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The US secretly sent long-range missiles to Ukraine — and Kyiv used them - POLITICO - "The transfer of Army Tactical Missile Systems with a nearly 200-mile range ends a yearslong drama between Washington and Kyiv."

US officials were afraid that Ukraine might provoke Russia too much.

The Biden administration last month secretly shipped long-range missiles to Ukraine for the first time in the two-year war — and Kyiv has already used the weapon twice to strike deep behind Russian lines.

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The administration will include additional long-range ATACMS in a new $1 billion package of military aid President Joe Biden approved on Wednesday, one of the U.S. officials said.

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The U.S. on Wednesday announced a new $1 billion package of weapons that will quickly be transferred to Ukraine now that Biden has signed off on the long-delayed foreign aid bill that passed the Senate this week. Among other weapons, the tranche will include Stinger anti-aircraft missiles for air defense; 155mm artillery rounds; Bradley Fighting Vehicles; Javelin anti-tank systems; and Claymore anti-personnel munitions, according to a Pentagon press release.
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bilby said:
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Longer range ATACMS should give them the ability to reach more targets within Crimea.
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And, IMO more significantly, to reach targets in the Russian logistics train in the occupied areas of Ukraine. Preventing Russia from stockpiling materiel anywhere close to the front line is a massive benefit to Ukraine's defenders, and a huge pain for Russia - particularly if Russia is hoping to keep any kind of offensive supplied.
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It's not even a matter of stockpiling. Russia can't operate train depots within range of Ukrainian weapons. Something like an ATACMS coming down on an offloading train would be very, very bad. And Russia has logistics capacity problems from the railhead to the front line. It's not the shot that matters, it's the capability. Russia has to stretch it's logistics even further.
 
barbos said:
Forget HIMARS and Abrams, new Wunderwaffe would sure work this time.
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We've already seen it hit.

What I don't think you understand is that weapons like HIMARS are more about denial than actual hits. They blew up a bunch of stuff with HIMARS rounds, you reacted by minimizing the number of worthy targets within HIMARS range. That's the real advantage--you can't set up anything important in that range. The longer the range missiles they have the bigger that denial area.

It doesn't mean you can't operate in that area, it means you can't clump up. And that's a severe limitation.
 
Note, also passed was the Rebuilding Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for Ukraine or REPO Act. So, what sovereign Russian assets held in US financial institutions can be placed into a Ukraine Support Fund for the rebuilding of Ukraine once hostilities have ceased. This amounts to $5B. I say can. We likely won't unless the G-7 goes along. Acting unilaterally may bring some loss of confidence in the US dollar among other nations.
Now to get the G-7 to go along. There is a meeting June 15-17 and I suspect it will be a hot topic for discussion. The G-7 has pledged that Russian assets will remain frozen until Russia repays Ukraine for the damage it has done. Fat chance of that happening as the most conservative estimates have that damage exceeding all frozen Russian assets, roughly $300B. There will be the matter of expediency in helping Ukraine to rebuild so I think, I hope the G-7 will come along. It would not be in the EU's interest to have a broken and cash-strapped Ukraine reliant on possibly sporadic funding from Western nations.
 
Another stab in the back of Nezalezhnoj. Aushan just informed Russian Government that they have no intention to leave Russia. This is all while Little Napoleon is threatening to invade Odessa. (Russian City on the Black Sea occupied by the Kiev Regime)
 
TV and credit cards said:
Note, also passed was the Rebuilding Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for Ukraine or REPO Act. So, what sovereign Russian assets held in US financial institutions can be placed into a Ukraine Support Fund for the rebuilding of Ukraine once hostilities have ceased. This amounts to $5B. I say can. We likely won't unless the G-7 goes along. Acting unilaterally may bring some loss of confidence in the US dollar among other nations.
Now to get the G-7 to go along. There is a meeting June 15-17 and I suspect it will be a hot topic for discussion. The G-7 has pledged that Russian assets will remain frozen until Russia repays Ukraine for the damage it has done. Fat chance of that happening as the most conservative estimates have that damage exceeding all frozen Russian assets, roughly $300B. There will be the matter of expediency in helping Ukraine to rebuild so I think, I hope the G-7 will come along. It would not be in the EU's interest to have a broken and cash-strapped Ukraine reliant on possibly sporadic funding from Western nations.
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Some measured that Russia has more western assets in Russia than Russia in the West.
In case there is not enough western assets in Russia itself we can go to ...... China and arrest/grab them there.
Yeah, and you will pay reparations for rebuilding Ukrainian Oblast too.
You're screwed :D
 
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