How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Elixir]

Most people agree about US misbehavior, from SE Asia to Central America to the middle east!

The thing that babs can’t grok, is that you can go all vocal and loud about it, and not be shuffled off to Siberia.

 

[barbos]

Elections in Romania, eh. Anti-russophobe candidate won fist tour despite MSM blackout being ordered by EU/US handlers.
The guy went to .... tock-tock Guess what? EU scum is launching investigation of tick-tock. EU puppet did not even get the second place. So EU ordered recount. Clearly planning shenanigans.

And Georgia is saying to EU Byby until 2028 et least. Good riddance they say. They don'r want to take part in your little war on Russia.

And Greece (a NATO member) giving up their S-300 systems to ..... wait for it ...... Armenia.
Ha-hahahahahahahah
I guess these are unintended consequences of Elensky war on orthodox church. It was so stupid, but stupid is the middle name of okrainians.


South Korea told okrainian delegation to go back where they came from when they tried to buy weapons first from SK government then from manufacturers directly. I guess they took Oreshnik seriously.
By the way, SK has not stopped trade with Russia at all. Yes, they sell weapons to US to send it to Okraina, but that's about it.

 

[barbos]

You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims.

Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
Some US government motherfucker, goes on TV and says Vietnam attacked US ships somewhere....
Do you have even a tiny bit self doubt? Or you an illustration to Dunning-Kruger effect?

Oh, I am highly aware that the US government is capable of some stunning lies. I've made acknowledgement of that dozens of times here and even a few times in this thread. But are you able to recognize the stunning lies the Russian government is capable of? I don't recall you acknowledging any Russian lies and propaganda. I only recall you repeating ridiculous Russian propaganda lies. Like how you think Ukraine was committing genocide in Donbas. Or like how you say the US had something to do with Euromaidan. These are lies that you believe and propagate despite having no evidence.

Putin did not wake up one day and started this war. You started this war. Nobody besides misinformed public in the west believes shit you spitting here, nobody.
Even in the west people don't really believe it. You create an appearance of support but in reality it's non existent.
That's why we have Hungary, Slovakia, now Romania, Czechia too, the only reason neocon puppet won is because of elections shenanigans. Even Poland, when it comes to normal people from the street they know that MSM is bullshitting them. I have distant relatives in Baltic states, they know what's going on, the only reason why they elect shit they do is becasue normal people are not allowed to run. They have to select between different flavor of shit.
Plus they say "We are in EU, we have to behave becasue EU will cut the money otherwise"
Nazi scum in EU (yes I call them that now) are on their way out in Germany and France. Italy has left "Lets destroy Russia" club already.

 

[barbos]

And only responds with idiotic whataboutisms when confronted.

It's bad when I do it and good when you do it, right?
And no, it was not whataboutism.
I was merely pointing out that US has been lying about every war they started.
And it seems (according to ukraine lovers here) this war is the first time US did not lie at all.
It was unprovoked russian aggression and US had nothing, absolutely nothing to do it with it.
I have a bridge to sell to you. US is is a pentacle of lies. I excluded modern Ukraine from competition.

 

[barbos]

According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.

How do you manage to remain this ignorant?

The USA government gets all kinds of flack, including here, for the long history of crime against humanity. I've personally described helping launch street demonstrations against the Invasion of Iraq! Most people agree about US misbehavior, from SE Asia to Central America to the middle east!
Tom

No, you are ignorant. And Jeffrey Sachs agree with me.

According to you, US does shit all the time everywhere, except in this one particular case of Ukraine, where US was an example of honesty, integrity, human rights, democratic principles....

 

[barbos]

British Economy is not doing so well.
Policeman lost job, could not find anything, so he signed with ..... Ukro-wehrmacht to fight Russia.
Got captured in Russia (Kursk).
Claims ignorance

«Без работы я не знал, что делать». Попавший в плен британский наемник раскаялся - Газета.Ru

Британский наемник Джеймс Скотт Рис Андерсон рассказал, что поехал воевать на стороне ВСУ после того, как его уволили из полиции. Сейчас он жалеет, что не послушал родственников, которые отговаривали его от такого шага. Он утверждает, что не знал о планируемом в Курской области наступлении...

www.gazeta.ru

British dumbass is on the right:

 

[barbos]

You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims.

Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
Some US government motherfucker, goes on TV and says Vietnam attacked US ships somewhere....
Do you have even a tiny bit self doubt? Or you an illustration to Dunning-Kruger effect?

You never provide any facts. You remind of me a creationists. They too tend to post what their pastor tells them as a fact, and when asked for a source go for the "I already told you" routine.

Projecting is so obvious here.

 

[barbos]

Seriously. Georgia effectively saying "Fuck you and your demands" is gotta hurt a lot. 3 years postponement is a long time.
Russia can make a deal with Georgia in that time.
Romania, is not yet. Anti-russophobe candidate can still be defeated by neocon machine in second tour, after recount of the first. And Turkey with their S-400. Nazis Neocons and their MIC overlords are having some troubles on the eastern front.

 

[barbos]

2 sane americans:
rant at the end is pretty good

 

[barbos]

Another sane analysis/discussion:

 

[barbos]

Another one "signs" up to fight Russia:

 

[barbos]

Biden, Lindsey Graham and the rest of the gang must be proud.

 

[TomC]

According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.

How do you manage to remain this ignorant?

The USA government gets all kinds of flack, including here, for the long history of crime against humanity. I've personally described helping launch street demonstrations against the Invasion of Iraq! Most people agree about US misbehavior, from SE Asia to Central America to the middle east!
Tom

No, you are ignorant. And Jeffrey Sachs agree with me.

According to you, US does shit all the time everywhere, except in this one particular case of Ukraine, where US was an example of honesty, integrity, human rights, democratic principles....

Nonsense.
What I said was the USA government gets heavy criticism, global, national, and here on IIDB.
I don't doubt that the US government was meddling in Ukraine. But Russia launched the hugely destructive invasion that is the subject of this thread, pretending that someone else made them do it is just as stupid as believing that the US invaded Iraq to save Iraqis from tyranny and protect US security.
Tom
Ps ~I don't know who Jeffrey Sachs is, and the fact that you consider him an authority is enough to dismiss him.~

 

[Elixir]

But Russia launched the hugely destructive invasion that is the subject of this thread,

Let’s not forget that they did that because the people of Ukraine rejected the Pootey-puppet they had been saddled with.
So Pootey set out to punish the people for standing up to him, and he’s still trying to get them to stop standing up to him.
It’s turning into a suicide mission for Pootey AND what’s left of the Russian empire.
Even with Trump’s help, Pootey is screwed.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.

I've commented on plenty of them, showing your descriptions of the facts was total BS.

 

[laughing dog]

No, you are ignorant. And Jeffrey Sachs agree with me.

I mean no offence to TomC. but I am confident Jeffrey Sachs does not know anything about TomC.

 

[barbos]

According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.

How do you manage to remain this ignorant?

The USA government gets all kinds of flack, including here, for the long history of crime against humanity. I've personally described helping launch street demonstrations against the Invasion of Iraq! Most people agree about US misbehavior, from SE Asia to Central America to the middle east!
Tom

No, you are ignorant. And Jeffrey Sachs agree with me.

According to you, US does shit all the time everywhere, except in this one particular case of Ukraine, where US was an example of honesty, integrity, human rights, democratic principles....

Nonsense.

is yours.

What I said was the USA government gets heavy criticism, global, national, and here on IIDB.
I don't doubt that the US government was meddling in Ukraine.

And yet according to your ilk it was unprovoked aggression.

But Russia launched the hugely destructive invasion that is the subject of this thread, pretending that someone else made them do it is just as stupid as believing that the US invaded Iraq to save Iraqis from tyranny and protect US security.

Actually we did not, BoJo and Biden did. We said declare neutrality and rights for russian speakers and we out of here.

Tom
Ps ~I don't know who Jeffrey Sachs is, and the fact that you consider him an authority is enough to dismiss him.~

Oh, you don't know who Jeffrey Sachs is, how convenient and unsurprising.
Well, I don't know what Ukraine is. Never heard of it. I heard about Kiev oblast, Odessa Oblast, etc, but not Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.

I've commented on plenty of them, showing your descriptions of the facts was total BS.

No, you did not, you use classical american approach "don't talk about facts and double down on propaganda points"
In fact you just did it again.

 

[barbos]

Multiple videos of ukrainian kidnapping mobilization - not a single comment.
Multiple videos of Professor Jeffrey Sachs commenting - not a single comment, except this last one where the usual suspect says he does not know who he is.....
Multiple videos of Professor Mearsheimer - there was a reaction once, no substance were addressed.
Greenwald - no reaction.
May 2 Odessa - don't know what I am talking about.
Ukrainian government critters on Istanbul agreement - nothing, never heard of it.

BoJo is not helpful again. Someone should assassinate him and blame Putin for that.
I don't expect the usual characters here would comment on it either

 

[zorq]

And only responds with idiotic whataboutisms when confronted.

It's bad when I do it and good when you do it, right?
And no, it was not whataboutism.
I was merely pointing out that US has been lying about every war they started.
And it seems (according to ukraine lovers here) this war is the first time US did not lie at all.
It was unprovoked russian aggression and US had nothing, absolutely nothing to do it with it.
I have a bridge to sell to you. US is is a pentacle of lies. I excluded modern Ukraine from competition.

Oh.... I see you thought you were giving us an inductive argument that proves the US was involved in Euromaidan. Lol. Your logic is so bad that I couldn't recognize it. Let me point out your pathetic logical fallacies.

Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy:
Just because something happens that might be favorable to the US doesn't mean the US was responsible for it. Random shit happens all the time. Sometimes it doesn't break in your favor. Ukraine kicking out a Putin puppet easily fits this scenario seeing as Ukranians have ample reasons to distrust and even hate murderous Russian scum. Good news for democracy, bad news for autocratic dictatorships, and yet The US didn't have to pull any shady levers. As another example consider Brexit. One of the US's best allies decided to hobble themselves did The US do that too?

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy:
Your main fallacy this time around: You picked put a handful of dirty deeds done by the US but ignored all the other events in the world done by the US or Not. Whether you are drawing your imaginary target around countries who have lied to go to war or around US military conflicts there are multiple other data points that make you inductive argument meaningless. Was the US responsible for the Eretria Etheopia War? The insurgencies in Myanmar? No. The US isn't involved in every armed conflict around the world. But what about lies? Did the US lie when they declared war on England in 1775 and again in 1812? In 1921 the US stopped a war between panama and Cost Rica by flexing their military muscle. In ww2 the us declared war on japan for very obvious reasons that the US did not lie about. These are just examples anong hundreds. You can't just pick the targets you want to hit.

Hasty Generalization fallacy:
You stronly imply that you believe that the US causes all hardships for the world. You used your sharpshooter fallacy to help you cherry pick samples for this fallacy. Unfortunately a sample size of 5 isn't big enough to generalize out to the magic rule your delusional prejudice insists must be true. When you do pick an appropriate sample size you are forced to incorporate all the other events that invalidate this rule. But you refuse to do that so you get this fallacy too.

3 logical fallacies. THREE. Your prejudice and paranoia have rendered you irrational as well. I would suggest that you have yourself treated for that but your immoral propensities (as documented in this thread) should take priority before you hurt someone who doesn't deserve it. (Putin deserves it. Feel free to hurt him if you get the chance. Not that I advocate violence, I am just pointing out where violence would not be surprising or unjust)