How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[blastula]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-attacked-airfield-near-engels-strategic-bomber-base-russian-officials-2025-03-20/

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump seems to get most of his news from alt-right sources.

Ummm no... this is direction from the Kremlin.

The same sources Barbos seems to be reading. I don't think it's so much that Trump is insane, as just trusting the wrong sources.

You don't seem to get it... Putin owns Trump. We aren't certain why or how, but once Manafort got into the race in 2016, things changed. And Trump is beholden to Putin and Putin's interests.

I think this is conspiracy theory nonsense.

I think its way simpler. Russia figured out early how to manipulate Facebook to spread pro Russian propaganda. Since its a dictatorship they can do that unhindered. Democratic government can't, for ethical reasons. We still haven't figured out, (culturaly) a way to mitigate that effect.

I think its just that.

Its similar to how the printing press led to to witch burnings. No conspiracy needed. It was simply new technology impacting a carefully balanced social system. With a disastrous result.

Disagree--there does seem to be some connection between The Felon and Moscow.

But I do agree the main part is the use of social media (not just Facebook) to spread propaganda.

How is he compromised? What could Putin possibly have on Trump that he hasn't already survived politicaly or privately? Remember, this is Trump's second term. He can't be reelected. He can wtf he wants this time around.

I don't think The Felon is a Russian asset--he's simply too stupid for Moscow to want as an asset. I do think someone near him is, though.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If Ukraine is forced to take a deal to stop the war.
Don.t you think there will be a resistance?
Years of snipers and IED's against every Russian there.

Ukraine is an ex Soviet country, and Russia is a brutal dictatorship. I think they'll get in line real fucking fast.

USA can force Zelensky to take a deal. Without US arms and weapons Ukraine has nothing against Russia. The Ukraine war is essentially a proxy war between USA and Russia.

I am extremely disappointed over how pathetic European support has been to Ukraine.

The fact that European countries are letting USA fight this, pretty much, alone (on their behalf) is an excellent reason for USA to pull out now. While I think Trump is an idiot, he's not wrong about this

Europe has been paying lip service to it's military for a long time now. We saw it in the Yugoslavia mess, we're seeing it again.

 

[barbos]

Barbos, your lies would be comical (and I mean that in a most disrespectful way) were they not rooted in the atrocities your people commit. I'd like to blame Putin. I'd like to blame your government. Understanding the access you have to the truth, the blame lies with you.

Lies are all yours.

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I guess you are trying to say Ukrainian tanks are in Moscow, OK.

 

[barbos]

Did YOU watch the video? She and her male partner on the program Aaron Mate makes them. "Them".

He is not her partner, he is a one of the hosts of the channel.
And you keep attacking the messenger.

 

[barbos]

Nothing anyone has ever said or done concerning Ukraine justifies Russian infiltration in 2014 and invasion and war 3 years ago.

And what justifies Nazi coup you conducted?
Russian involvement in Ukraine is justified million times over.

 

[barbos]

Every single one of your posts is a gish gallop of half-truths, lies and conspiracies. It is impossible to have a discussion.

Now that's not entirely true. Some of his posts are brief, blunt, denials of reality, with no attempt at justification, explanation or citation whatsoever.

It's still impossible to have a discussion, though. Obviously.

Yes, reality according to you is that Ukraine is winning and at the outskirts of Moscow.

Sorry man, the actual reality is that Marco Rubio admitted that US started this Proxy War on Russia.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile Musk removed Moldavian Press from US Payroll.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump seems to get most of his news from alt-right sources.

Ummm no... this is direction from the Kremlin.

The same sources Barbos seems to be reading. I don't think it's so much that Trump is insane, as just trusting the wrong sources.

You don't seem to get it... Putin owns Trump. We aren't certain why or how, but once Manafort got into the race in 2016, things changed. And Trump is beholden to Putin and Putin's interests.

I think this is conspiracy theory nonsense.

I think its way simpler. Russia figured out early how to manipulate Facebook to spread pro Russian propaganda. Since its a dictatorship they can do that unhindered. Democratic government can't, for ethical reasons. We still haven't figured out, (culturaly) a way to mitigate that effect.

I think its just that.

Its similar to how the printing press led to to witch burnings. No conspiracy needed. It was simply new technology impacting a carefully balanced social system. With a disastrous result.

Disagree--there does seem to be some connection between The Felon and Moscow.

But I do agree the main part is the use of social media (not just Facebook) to spread propaganda.

How is he compromised? What could Putin possibly have on Trump that he hasn't already survived politicaly or privately? Remember, this is Trump's second term. He can't be reelected. He can wtf he wants this time around.

I don't think The Felon is a Russian asset--he's simply too stupid for Moscow to want as an asset. I do think someone near him is, though.

Frankly you would have to be blind to not see it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Did YOU watch the video? She and her male partner on the program Aaron Mate makes them. "Them".

He is not her partner, he is a one of the hosts of the channel.
And you keep attacking the messenger.

Partner on the program. Not partner IRL. You disregarded him as being a part of the show when you insisted on "her" being used instead of "them."

And yes, I attack the messenger. When the messengers you provide aren't qualified to make competent comments I say so.

 

[ZiprHead]

Nothing anyone has ever said or done concerning Ukraine justifies Russian infiltration in 2014 and invasion and war 3 years ago.

And what justifies Nazi coup you conducted?
Russian involvement in Ukraine is justified million times over.

Pkease stop displaying your fever dreams as fact. I suggest you seek out a regimen of antibiotics for a cure.

 

[barbos]

Did YOU watch the video? She and her male partner on the program Aaron Mate makes them. "Them".

He is not her partner, he is a one of the hosts of the channel.
And you keep attacking the messenger.

Partner on the program. Not partner IRL. You disregarded him as being a part of the show when you insisted on "her" being used instead of "them."

What the fuck are you talking about? They invited an ukrainian to express her opinions. She is the only one ukrainian historian there. The only reason for you lame attack on her supposed qualification as historian is the fact she contradicts the shit you have in your head.

And yes, I attack the messenger. When the messengers you provide aren't qualified to make competent comments I say so.

What took you so long? I see you commenting on this Ukraine business all the time, what is your qualification to do that?

And again, why did you decide to comment on rather old post?
And what do you consider an ukrainian historiam anyway? These people who writes books about 140 thousands years long Ukraine history?

 

[barbos]

In other news, EU is suggesting Annalena 360 Baerbock (proud of her WW2 nazi heritage) as a President of General Assembly. Russia says "This is ridiculous, considering we are having 80s anniversary of defeating nazis"

If anything it's a russian should be a President this year.

 

[barbos]

The Breaking News! USSR just invaded Romania!

 

[TV and credit cards]

I don't think The Felon is a Russian asset--he's simply too stupid for Moscow to want as an asset. I do think someone near him is, though.

In Russia's foreign intelligence service, the SVR she is known simply as "M".

 

[barbos]

I think its way simpler. Russia figured out early how to manipulate Facebook to spread pro Russian propaganda. Since its a dictatorship they can do that unhindered. Democratic government can't, for ethical reasons.

Puh-leeeze, you are killing me.

 

[barbos]

FBI must be the most incompetent and impotent organization to not get any evidence of russian agents in US government circles, let alone in Trump.

 

[barbos]

Lavrov is 75 years old today.
Some interesting pictures. Hillary Clinton looks like a russian asset to me.

«Мистер нет»: Сергею Лаврову – 75

Сергей Лавров родился в Москве в 1950 году. В 1972-м окончил Московский государственный институт международных отношений МИД СССР (восточное отделение). Владеет английским, французским и сингальским языками. Поступать в МГИМО его уговорила мама: сам будущий министр любил...

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[Loren Pechtel]

Still less than number of US tanks burned in Ukraine.

You should thank us. We vastly increased the number of submarines in the Black Sea fleet for you.

Too bad they are mostly ukrainians.

This doesn't pass the laugh test.

Ukraine doesn't have a navy. There's no means by which it currently can acquire a navy. Thus the count of Ukrainian submarines must inherently be zero. All the submarines in the Black Sea are Russian, whether they started out as submarines or got promoted by the Ukrainians.

 

[crazyfingers]

Still less than number of US tanks burned in Ukraine.

You should thank us. We vastly increased the number of submarines in the Black Sea fleet for you.

Too bad they are mostly ukrainians.

This doesn't pass the laugh test.

Ukraine doesn't have a navy. There's no means by which it currently can acquire a navy. Thus the count of Ukrainian submarines must inherently be zero. All the submarines in the Black Sea are Russian, whether they started out as submarines or got promoted by the Ukrainians.

Well, Russia did give Ukraine one Foxtrot submarine way back. But it was too dead to work

Ukrainian submarine Zaporizhzhia - Wikipedia

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