How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

 

[TV and credit cards]

In brief: US Special Envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner gave Russian President Vladimir Putin room to stall peace negotiations over Ukraine by agreeing to a Kremlin demand to resolve all contentious issues simultaneously, Politico reported. Foreign policy analysts and Ukrainian officials said abandoning a step-by-step approach – beginning with a ceasefire – upends diplomatic sequencing and helps Moscow prolong talks while maintaining maximalist demands.

We have representatives of the US government every bit as full of shit as Russia. I hope for a day Ukraine and the EU can just sideline the US altogether; break Russia's economy and impose its own terms.

 

[barbos]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, Bulgaria stops sending weapons to Ukraine, citing they no longer have ability to help.
Poland is also stops funding Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

In other news, people in Ukraine wonder if and when president Elensky will have state visit to Kiev.

 

[Ovazor]

Meanwhile in the real world, the US negotiators have asked if Ukraine would be willing to give up Donbas if Ukraine is admitted to NATO in turn. This is not exactly in line with the position the Russians are maintaining.

 

[barbos]

 

[ZiprHead]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

Putin thinks he has some sort of leverage here???

 

[crazyfingers]

This problem with StarShield/StarLink has to be intentional on the part of Trump/Hagseth/Musk. If not the pentagon would be up in arms trying to find out why the system is proving so unreliable.

Not a peep out of the pentagon on trying to find out why the system is glitching out.

 

[ZiprHead]

This problem with StarShield/StarLink has to be intentional on the part of Trump/Hagseth/Musk. If not the pentagon would be up in arms trying to find out why the system is proving so unreliable.

Not a peep out of the pentagon on trying to find out why the system is glitching out.

Cuz they know why.

 

[ZiprHead]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

For you, Babs.

 

[crazyfingers]

This problem with StarShield/StarLink has to be intentional on the part of Trump/Hagseth/Musk. If not the pentagon would be up in arms trying to find out why the system is proving so unreliable.

Not a peep out of the pentagon on trying to find out why the system is glitching out.

Cuz they know why.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Democratic Congress investigate this.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

Putin thinks he has some sort of leverage here???

Yea, that is just so laughable and sad. I blame for Trump for deluding Putin into believing that the west is about to fold. I'm sure even my young friend Barbos agrees that you can't make a lasting peace with Russia with a treaty. The only peace that Russia understands is where the other side is too strong to attack. The only thing keeping Russians out of Eastern Europe is:

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[DrZoidberg]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

Putin thinks he has some sort of leverage here???

Yea, that is just so laughable and sad. I blame for Trump for deluding Putin into believing that the west is about to fold. I'm sure even my young friend Barbos agrees that you can't make a lasting peace with Russia with a treaty. The only peace that Russia understands is where the other side is too strong to attack. The only thing keeping Russians out of Eastern Europe is:

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Hmm... "Deluding"? Don't forget that when Russia grabbed Crimea the west did fold. Logic dictates that the west would continue to bend over and just take it. Trump was sick of USA being the only adult in the west, and let Putin know as much. For Putin Ukraine was a free lunch. I think you underestimate the complete turnaround of Europe. We went from being a club of whiny old nannies to Rosie the Riveter in a couple of years. That's a remarkable turnaround. It's truly impressive. Now Europe is a force to be reckoned with. In 2022 we were not. Not to Godwin this, but Hitler grabbing Czechoslovakia, and the west doing nothing, meant that him grabbing Poland next was pretty risk free. The Ukraine war is just history repeating itself.

Fun fact, Scandinavia has pooled it's resources and decided to be NATO's air force. Now Scandinavia (and therefore NATO) has one of the world's most powerful high tech airforce in the world. That was fast. It's amazing what people can do if they have the money, motivation and know-how. If Trump tries to grab Greenland he will regret it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Kushner's "diplomacy" is over.

Putin thinks he has some sort of leverage here???

Yea, that is just so laughable and sad. I blame for Trump for deluding Putin into believing that the west is about to fold. I'm sure even my young friend Barbos agrees that you can't make a lasting peace with Russia with a treaty. The only peace that Russia understands is where the other side is too strong to attack. The only thing keeping Russians out of Eastern Europe is:

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Hmm... "Deluding"? Don't forget that when Russia grabbed Crimea the west did fold. Logic dictates that the west would continue to bend over and just take it. Trump was sick of USA being the only adult in the west, and let Putin know as much. For Putin Ukraine was a free lunch. I think you underestimate the complete turnaround of Europe. We went from being a club of whiny old nannies to Rosie the Riveter in a couple of years. That's a remarkable turnaround. It's truly impressive. Now Europe is a force to be reckoned with. In 2022 we were not. Not to Godwin this, but Hitler grabbing Czechoslovakia, and the west doing nothing, meant that him grabbing Poland next was pretty risk free. The Ukraine war is just history repeating itself.

Fun fact, Scandinavia has pooled it's resources and decided to be NATO's air force. Now Scandinavia (and therefore NATO) has one of the world's most powerful high tech airforce in the world. That was fast. It's amazing what people can do if they have the money, motivation and know-how. If Trump tries to grab Greenland he will regret it.

Oh I agree with you. Putin/Trump are greatly underestimating Europe.

 

[Ovazor]

Oh, he is. He is having his agents send thousands of bomb threats to Italian schools, thinking that little pressure will make Italians fold and veto everything.