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How the new Texas Anti-Abortion Law Can Bring Back Jim Crow

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While the Supreme Court has allowed the Justice Department’s suit against Texas over their unique anti abortion law to continue, the Justices overall seemed highly doubtful of the ability of them to prevail in the end. The conservative justices, apart from Roberts, questioned whether ultimately the DoJ could prevail. It’s too broad an attack for them.

What’s at stake are several previous Supreme Court precedents. Ex Parte Young, a 1908 case that allowed litigants to sue in federal court against state officers who were acting contrary to the US Constitution, and Shelley v. Kraemer, a 1948 case holding that state judges could not enforce racial covenants in real estate are both threatened. Shelley was instrumental later in Brown v. Board of Education.

The Texas case clearly tests both of these precedents. If state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they’ve been reversed, then they can uphold laws restricting where blacks can live and where blacks can go to school, as long as state officials aren’t involved in the enforcement mechanism. The Supreme Court has let a Trojan horse in to effectively reverse Brown v. Board of Education without explicitly doing so. Granted, litigants could appeal such decisions from a State Supreme Court to the United States Supreme Court, but only if they have the means to do so. There would be no attorney fee provision that would entice an attorney to take such a case on a contingency fee basis, unless a state actor was doing the discrimination because they could be sued under 42 USC 1983 Which allows for damages and attorney fees.

This is why it’s so important for the U S Department of Justice to have the power to challenge such blatantly unconstitutional laws in lower federal courts. without this power, states could effectively do an end run around anti discrimination laws by allowing private parties to be the actors doing the discrimination.

And this way can also pave the way for restricting other rights too. California’s governor just announced that he is using the same technique against gun manufacturers.


What’s next? Can Alabama outlaw criticism of Trump the same way?

This is why elections are so important and why there is a huge difference between Republicans and Democrats. Who sits on the Supreme Court is vital to determining what rights we have. Those on the left continuing to vote against Democrats because they aren’t liberal enough are handing this country over to decades of right wing dominance enforced by the Supreme Court.
 
Those on the left continuing to vote against Democrats because they aren’t liberal enough are handing this country over to decades of right wing dominance enforced by the Supreme Court.
They already did.
There's a whole thread about the topic.
Tom
 
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California Democrats have tried multiple times to re-introduce discrimination by the State in the form of affirmative action by race.

Last I knew the smash and grab folks weren't all black. Have things changed?
 
Today on some people are so obsessed about race, they are desperately addicted to following race related issues in another country like it is crack.
 
Today on some people are so obsessed about race, they are desperately addicted to following race related issues in another country like it is crack.

I'm self admittedly guilty of that to an extent.
 

How the new Texas Anti-Abortion Law Can Bring Back Jim Crow​


Considering how Texas gerrymanders redistricts for its elections, did it ever really leave?
 
If state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they’ve been reversed, then they can uphold laws restricting where blacks can live and where blacks can go to school, as long as state officials aren’t involved in the enforcement mechanism.

That's quite a stretch.
A bit of a stretch, but not a huge one.

If state legislatures can overrule established federal laws(already ruled constitutional) with this creative method, what can't they do? Jim Crow might be a stretch now, but let the anti-gun people start passing laws restricting gun possession and the sky's the limit.
Tom
 
If state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they’ve been reversed, then they can uphold laws restricting where blacks can live and where blacks can go to school, as long as state officials aren’t involved in the enforcement mechanism.

That's quite a stretch.
A bit of a stretch, but not a huge one.

If state legislatures can overrule established federal laws(already ruled constitutional) with this creative method, what can't they do? Jim Crow might be a stretch now, but let the anti-gun people start passing laws restricting gun possession and the sky's the limit.
Tom
Precisely. The very foundation of Brown v. Board of Education is undermined by this ruling. Brown didn’t come out of nowhere. It came from several decades of decisions that undermined the rationale of Plessy. This court basically overturned Shelley and that in turn led to Brown.

Maybe they thought it wouldn’t go too far. But Newsome’s move has just called out their stupidity. Maybe once the case is back up there for a final ruling on the merits, they’ll rethink their position. I hope so. But I’m not too optimistic that they are stuck in their libertarian fantasy world where discrimination is OK if that’s what the market will want.
 
Precisely. The very foundation of Brown v. Board of Education is undermined by this ruling. Brown didn’t come out of nowhere. It came from several decades of decisions that undermined the rationale of Plessy. This court basically overturned Shelley and that in turn led to Brown.

Pretty much this.

Several years ago, my partner(Doug)'s oldest daughter was killed by a drunk driver. She was extremely pregnant at the time. She and the baby both died in a helicopter racing to the hospital in Louisville.

The guy wasn't a criminal. He had no rap sheet or alcohol violations. He made a bad choice. It was the beginning of a holiday weekend and some girl dumped him. He decided to go party with some friends in another town. He threw a case of beer in the car and drove. One beer became three. Three became twelve. He swung wide on a curve. He hit her dinky little truck almost head on. Her truck collapsed like a tin can. Her one year old survived, barely, because she was strapped into a car seat.

Fucked up a whole bunch of people. Especially her husband, who went from happy daddy of a nice family to a grieving widower with a disabled toddler in the blink of an eye.

By the standards of Texan law, my partner(her dad) should be able to file a lawsuit for 10 grand against the store that sold him the beer. Also her mom. Also her surviving child.


And nobody can countersue for filing a frivolous lawsuit. In Texas, according to current legal theory, the liquor store can't demand compensation for their legal costs or anything. They've just got to lawyer up and suck it.

How Republican.
Feed the lawyers. Fuck everyone else.

Tom
 
The OP is a bit confused. The DOJ suit for a declaratory order on the Texas law is still in the District Court. The Supreme Court so far has only ruled on a different and private lawsuit, and only on who could be sued pre-enforcement. No decision on the constitutionality of the law.
 
The OP is a bit confused. The DOJ suit for a declaratory order on the Texas law is still in the District Court. The Supreme Court so far has only ruled on a different and private lawsuit, and only on who could be sued pre-enforcement. No decision on the constitutionality of the law.
Correct. But they allowed the law to continue to be enforced pending the final outcome and in doing so ignored Shelley. That was before the SC. The CJ Roberts was very concerned about that issue even though he was overruled.
 
If state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they’ve been reversed, then they can uphold laws restricting where blacks can live and where blacks can go to school, as long as state officials aren’t involved in the enforcement mechanism.

That's quite a stretch.
A bit of a stretch, but not a huge one.

If state legislatures can overrule established federal laws(already ruled constitutional) with this creative method, what can't they do? Jim Crow might be a stretch now, but let the anti-gun people start passing laws restricting gun possession and the sky's the limit.
Tom
The stretch was in the comparison.

Might as well also stretch to saying "if state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they've been reversed, then they can uphold laws implementing Soviet Communism" or "if state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they've been reversed, then they can uphold laws implementing mandatory worship of Satan." The first does not connect to the second.
 
If state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they’ve been reversed, then they can uphold laws restricting where blacks can live and where blacks can go to school, as long as state officials aren’t involved in the enforcement mechanism.

That's quite a stretch.
A bit of a stretch, but not a huge one.

If state legislatures can overrule established federal laws(already ruled constitutional) with this creative method, what can't they do? Jim Crow might be a stretch now, but let the anti-gun people start passing laws restricting gun possession and the sky's the limit.
Tom
The stretch was in the comparison.

Might as well also stretch to saying "if state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they've been reversed, then they can uphold laws implementing Soviet Communism" or "if state court judges can uphold anti abortion laws, before they've been reversed, then they can uphold laws implementing mandatory worship of Satan." The first does not connect to the second.
It’s not that they’re upholding the law before it is reversed that’s the issue. It’s the enforcement mechanism of the law that allows private actors to enforce an unconstitutional law because government officials aren’t the one enforcing it. Since the enforcer is not a state actor, they can do anything. They aren’t constrained by constitutional issues such as equal protection. That was what Shelley stopped in 1948 and paved the way for Brown. By overruling one of the key supports for Brown it has been significantly weakened. Now homeowners can put in racial covenants in their deeds. You cannot sell the House to a black man. Whole neighborhoods can be restricted just for whites. That is Jim Crow.
 
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