NobleSavage
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Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
The nation in the world to fear. The nation that has been attacking other nations and people non-stop for decades, is the US.
The so-called Cold War was really the US attacking third world nations, The Congo, Vietnam, Haiti, Guatemala, Chile.
Always of course with some concocted rationalization involving the myth of a Soviet danger, but really always for the interests of US corporations and investors.
If the EU kicked out the US their greatest danger would be the US.
And the US ain't leaving anywhere voluntarily. And before the US leaves due to resistance it trashes the place, like in Vietnam.
I really don't think the US will ever do that though, nor will the western world at large, as exploiting third world countries is one of the major ways the rich stay rich.
I really don't think the US will ever do that though, nor will the western world at large, as exploiting third world countries is one of the major ways the rich stay rich.
Care to elaborate? What rich people in particular are you referring to? Names, please.
WRT Russia, as Bibly pointed out Assad is a much bigger problem than ISIS. Russia has been supplying them with arms and the US has been supplying the rebels. There is more than one commentator that thinks they would like to get Finland back. Lithuania has been worried about an invasion since March: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/03/15/lithuania-prepares-for-a-feared-russian-invasion/Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Because the European Union is so worried about being invaded by Russia these days.
ISIS might be a factor, sure, but that's more of a counter-terrorism and internal security issue it seems. None of them really have any plans on engaging in -- much less supporting -- foreign military action on that front, nor do they seriously expect the U.S. to do much of anything about it. It seems like for the threat environment they live in now, Europe is perfectly capable of defending itself. They're not capable of projecting power or pushing other people around, but I don't know that it's something they've actually WANTED to do since at least the end of the Cold war.
That could change, of course, if the collapse of NATO leads to some kind of power vacuum and the EU itself fails to fill it. I don't see that happening either, of course, unless the Soviet Union suddenly pulls itself together like the T-1000 and starts the Cold War all over again.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
That would be one of the things we could do if we had energy independence. Some of the outstanding problems in the middle east and Europe are a direct result of a continual reliance by the U.S. on middle east oil. It is no accident that the Germans are so invested in alternative energy. They do not need to control shipping lanes all over the world and enforce extractive agreements with foreign governments. That does not mean they are good guys. Maybe we could be better. We seem to be a nation that has adapted to major changes. Our military bases are not defensive. They are all pretty much the result of one of the most naturally endowed countries on the earth (the U.S.) remaining so dependent on imports from around the world. New alternative models need to be explored to cut down our trade deficit...and at the same time cut our military spending.
The nation in the world to fear. The nation that has been attacking other nations and people non-stop for decades, is the US.
The so-called Cold War was really the US attacking third world nations, The Congo, Vietnam, Haiti, Guatemala, Chile.
Always of course with some concocted rationalization involving the myth of a Soviet danger, but really always for the interests of US corporations and investors.
If the EU kicked out the US their greatest danger would be the US.
And the US ain't leaving anywhere voluntarily. And before the US leaves due to resistance it trashes the place, like in Vietnam.
The nation in the world to fear. The nation that has been attacking other nations and people non-stop for decades, is the US.
The so-called Cold War was really the US attacking third world nations, The Congo, Vietnam, Haiti, Guatemala, Chile.
Always of course with some concocted rationalization involving the myth of a Soviet danger, but really always for the interests of US corporations and investors.
If the EU kicked out the US their greatest danger would be the US.
And the US ain't leaving anywhere voluntarily. And before the US leaves due to resistance it trashes the place, like in Vietnam.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
Well for one, you can't actually do that since you have treaty obligations that prevent such a thing.
Care to elaborate? What rich people in particular are you referring to? Names, please.
Do you know the history of Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, The Congo, Indonesia, Chile and many other places in the world?
Attacked by the US. Their governments overturned. Despots put in charge. In they couldn't be overturned they were attacked with terrorism or outright invasion. All to protect US business interests.
This is in the historical record. Everybody in the civilized world knows about it and it is why most of the world sees the US as the biggest threat to peace.
But of course Americans are subject to intense propaganda efforts by the government using the corporate media to distract people from US crimes and make justifications for them.
And many of the simplest and poorly read of them accept these justifications without question.
With any criticism of US violence and interference they scream "Communist" like a Pavlovian dog salivating.
Nice job admitting that US doctrine has been and still is to hold Soviet Union and now Russia.Do you know the history of Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, The Congo, Indonesia, Chile and many other places in the world?
Attacked by the US. Their governments overturned. Despots put in charge. In they couldn't be overturned they were attacked with terrorism or outright invasion. All to protect US business interests.
This is in the historical record. Everybody in the civilized world knows about it and it is why most of the world sees the US as the biggest threat to peace.
But of course Americans are subject to intense propaganda efforts by the government using the corporate media to distract people from US crimes and make justifications for them.
And many of the simplest and poorly read of them accept these justifications without question.
With any criticism of US violence and interference they scream "Communist" like a Pavlovian dog salivating.
Nice job ignoring the fact that in most of these cases they joined the Russian block.
Do you know the history of Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, The Congo, Indonesia, Chile and many other places in the world?
Attacked by the US. Their governments overturned. Despots put in charge. In they couldn't be overturned they were attacked with terrorism or outright invasion. All to protect US business interests.
This is in the historical record. Everybody in the civilized world knows about it and it is why most of the world sees the US as the biggest threat to peace.
But of course Americans are subject to intense propaganda efforts by the government using the corporate media to distract people from US crimes and make justifications for them.
And many of the simplest and poorly read of them accept these justifications without question.
With any criticism of US violence and interference they scream "Communist" like a Pavlovian dog salivating.
Nice job ignoring the fact that in most of these cases they joined the Russian block.
Would we see a sudden spike in EU military spending? They are a lot closer to the Middle East and Russia than we are.
The nation in the world to fear. The nation that has been attacking other nations and people non-stop for decades, is the US.
The so-called Cold War was really the US attacking third world nations, The Congo, Vietnam, Haiti, Guatemala, Chile.
Always of course with some concocted rationalization involving the myth of a Soviet danger, but really always for the interests of US corporations and investors.
If the EU kicked out the US their greatest danger would be the US.
And the US ain't leaving anywhere voluntarily. And before the US leaves due to resistance it trashes the place, like in Vietnam.
Nice job admitting that US doctrine has been and still is to hold Soviet Union and now Russia.Nice job ignoring the fact that in most of these cases they joined the Russian block.
US doctrine is in fact as simple as Pavlovian dogs, anyone who dare to think of having decent relations with Russia must be "reeducated" preferably with death squads or carpet bombing, at the very least Maidan.
And funny thing, Vietnam went to US first, only after US rejected them they turned to Soviet Union and then US got mad. As one vietnamese guy said "all we wanted is independence the rest was secondary"
Nice job ignoring the fact that in most of these cases they joined the Russian block.
That is total bullshit.
For example, when Castro first took power in Cuba he came to the US and asked for US support. Since he had just thrown over a tyrant he thought he would be rewarded.
But the US rejected Castro, carried out operations like the Bay of Pigs, and through him into the arms of the Soviet Union.
There was no Soviet involvement in Castro's Revolution. But US aggression and terrorism, including biological warfare, aimed at Cuba forced it to try to defend itself by making deals with the Soviets.
Again. The Cold War was mainly the US attacking Third World nations using the Soviet Union as an absurd excuse for doing so.
Nice ignoring the fact that he proceeded to steal the property of a whole bunch of US businesses before asking for that help.